About those "catch cans"
07-28-2014, 12:07 AM
#92
some of you aren't gonna have your truck long enough to ever see gains of having one of these. Yeah they catch some oil. Am i going to spend money on something that I dont need because i won't have it past like 60k miles? absolutely not.
Moral of all this BS..
-Yes they catch oil
-no they aren't necessary
-no they aren't miracle engine savers
But, the RX can guy- Audi engines are solo familiar to ford motors... good waste of space there sir
Moral of all this BS..
-Yes they catch oil
-no they aren't necessary
-no they aren't miracle engine savers
But, the RX can guy- Audi engines are solo familiar to ford motors... good waste of space there sir
07-28-2014, 06:21 AM
#94
Senior Member
There are over 1/2 a million Ecoboosts on the road that run great without a can. RX has sold 500 cans.
07-28-2014, 07:57 AM
#95
Senior Member
I have a 5.0 AND a better idea...... Why not just let her suck all that crap back through the intake then trade it in around 100k? That way yer not messing with your warranty. You know how Ford works- Steering column shudder? must be the catch can on the PVC hose! My way, the "problem" belongs to the next owner!
07-28-2014, 08:34 AM
#96
Senior Member
I've got no issues with companies promoting their products.
With Eco Tuner / Tuner Boost (they are one in the same), it's way over the top and none of the other vendors do this. You post anything about an Ecoboost issue and he's there pimping his cans. You don't see this level of spam from tuner guys in threads asking for more power. You don't see it in lift threads when people are asking about lifts, etc. And, yes I've discussed with the mods. He's in a gray area and I'd encourage others that are tired of the posts to report them (click the red exclamation icon and give a reason.). Same goes for any off topic posts.
If you google around you see the same schtick on many, many car forums and the same pictures, etc. Lots of fear, uncertainty, and doubt being spread. And it has the same source. Despite many can vendors out there you don't see them with this level of "marketing". I wonder why that is? Heck, you don't see that with any other car product, really.
One poster posted about a power issue about his car with the Ecoboost. Tuner had him thinking this "PCV issue" caused the timing chains to jump or other some such nonsense. Turns out the guy had a bum turbo!!!
My other issue is his claims that he has yet to back up with any meaningful data. I'm not a fan of K&N or Amsoil but by God they have data to prove their claims! And I respect them for that.
He claims the Ecoboost PCV system is defective. Yet every source about what happens when a PCV system is defective says "Sludge, blown seals, and lean running". The Ecoboost doesn't seem to be blowing seals, or a sludge machine. I don't think we'd see it last ling if it were lean running. We don't see abnormal Used Oil Analysis reports from properly running engines. So it would reason that if the system is defective, we would see these compounds present in elevated amounts. Yet we don't. So it has to be working.
He claims the Ecoboost makes deposits that rob power and MPG. No doubt there will be deposits in DI engines. Ford seems to have it under control (unlike VW/Audi/BMW) to where they are very low. I've posted 72k (or so) of MPG data from my Ecoboost 3.5 that shows a pretty constant MPG. I've not dyno'ed mine but I would think someone who makes their living "building race engines" and "sees these on a daily basis" would have access to a dyno for a before/after run. It would be great to prove that there was gains. BG did do a study with a highly flawed dyno run (AWD car on a 2WD Dyno with Traction Control lights lit up) on a Taurus SHO and saw negligible gains after a manual valve cleaning. Quantify why these deposits are bad. And 1 out of 500k needing a "valve job" is not data without the background as to what else was going on.
He claims the shudder/misfire is because of the PCV "defect". Never mind that Ford has proven to NHTSA that its atmospheric condensation. If you stop and think it makes sense. Hot air, loaded with heat and humidity is cooled in the CAC. Cool air will have its moisture condense (cold glass on a hot day) and it will pool in the bottom. This (and the PCV stuff) will get sucked into the engine. His can simply removes the PCV side of the equation so you have more headroom for the water. You have to get the water out to truly solve the issue.
When questioned on any of these there is usually some really long response that never answers the question or "You're not an auto engineer so stop" or "stop the drama". It's not drama if what you are saying doesn't make sense and you cannot back up your claims with other than anecdotal data.
Personally I don't care if you put a can on your truck or not. What I am tired of is in nearly any Ecoboost post getting turned into an ad for a certain vendor complete with incorrect data. If you want a can I'd buy a UPR one just because of that alone!
With Eco Tuner / Tuner Boost (they are one in the same), it's way over the top and none of the other vendors do this. You post anything about an Ecoboost issue and he's there pimping his cans. You don't see this level of spam from tuner guys in threads asking for more power. You don't see it in lift threads when people are asking about lifts, etc. And, yes I've discussed with the mods. He's in a gray area and I'd encourage others that are tired of the posts to report them (click the red exclamation icon and give a reason.). Same goes for any off topic posts.
If you google around you see the same schtick on many, many car forums and the same pictures, etc. Lots of fear, uncertainty, and doubt being spread. And it has the same source. Despite many can vendors out there you don't see them with this level of "marketing". I wonder why that is? Heck, you don't see that with any other car product, really.
One poster posted about a power issue about his car with the Ecoboost. Tuner had him thinking this "PCV issue" caused the timing chains to jump or other some such nonsense. Turns out the guy had a bum turbo!!!
My other issue is his claims that he has yet to back up with any meaningful data. I'm not a fan of K&N or Amsoil but by God they have data to prove their claims! And I respect them for that.
He claims the Ecoboost PCV system is defective. Yet every source about what happens when a PCV system is defective says "Sludge, blown seals, and lean running". The Ecoboost doesn't seem to be blowing seals, or a sludge machine. I don't think we'd see it last ling if it were lean running. We don't see abnormal Used Oil Analysis reports from properly running engines. So it would reason that if the system is defective, we would see these compounds present in elevated amounts. Yet we don't. So it has to be working.
He claims the Ecoboost makes deposits that rob power and MPG. No doubt there will be deposits in DI engines. Ford seems to have it under control (unlike VW/Audi/BMW) to where they are very low. I've posted 72k (or so) of MPG data from my Ecoboost 3.5 that shows a pretty constant MPG. I've not dyno'ed mine but I would think someone who makes their living "building race engines" and "sees these on a daily basis" would have access to a dyno for a before/after run. It would be great to prove that there was gains. BG did do a study with a highly flawed dyno run (AWD car on a 2WD Dyno with Traction Control lights lit up) on a Taurus SHO and saw negligible gains after a manual valve cleaning. Quantify why these deposits are bad. And 1 out of 500k needing a "valve job" is not data without the background as to what else was going on.
He claims the shudder/misfire is because of the PCV "defect". Never mind that Ford has proven to NHTSA that its atmospheric condensation. If you stop and think it makes sense. Hot air, loaded with heat and humidity is cooled in the CAC. Cool air will have its moisture condense (cold glass on a hot day) and it will pool in the bottom. This (and the PCV stuff) will get sucked into the engine. His can simply removes the PCV side of the equation so you have more headroom for the water. You have to get the water out to truly solve the issue.
When questioned on any of these there is usually some really long response that never answers the question or "You're not an auto engineer so stop" or "stop the drama". It's not drama if what you are saying doesn't make sense and you cannot back up your claims with other than anecdotal data.
Personally I don't care if you put a can on your truck or not. What I am tired of is in nearly any Ecoboost post getting turned into an ad for a certain vendor complete with incorrect data. If you want a can I'd buy a UPR one just because of that alone!
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07-28-2014, 09:54 AM
#97
I agree with Itguy08, if you feel you need a can buy the UPR. I was ready to buy multiple cans and asked RX if he would ship COD, he said no, he needed payment before he shipped. I asked him what happens if I send a check and the product doesn't ship or there are missing parts? He wrote back and told me I was rude and condescending?
I decided to do some research on RX, and what I found out was not good at all. If I end up buying cans, they will not be RX.
I decided to do some research on RX, and what I found out was not good at all. If I end up buying cans, they will not be RX.
07-28-2014, 10:25 AM
#98
I agree with Itguy08, if you feel you need a can buy the UPR. I was ready to buy multiple cans and asked RX if he would ship COD, he said no, he needed payment before he shipped. I asked him what happens if I send a check and the product doesn't ship or there are missing parts? He wrote back and told me I was rude and condescending?
I decided to do some research on RX, and what I found out was not good at all. If I end up buying cans, they will not be RX.
I decided to do some research on RX, and what I found out was not good at all. If I end up buying cans, they will not be RX.
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07-28-2014, 10:47 AM
#99
How did you "bend over backwards"? All you did was give me pricing, and cut and paste your standard sales pitch in a PM. Why would you need my personal info until after we come to a mutual agreement to purchase the product?
07-28-2014, 11:17 AM
#100
I've had a UPR, and then an RX can, and then a newer version UPR can on my 5.0 for about a year. You can see from this photo the stuff I prevent from entering my intake. From my tests, mounting the cans out in front of the radiator, and using a quality can (RX or UPR improved), are important to catch the most.
I can't prove, other than showing what I catch, that my engine will run better for a longer time. But I do know it won't run worse than if I had no can.
I don't know why for sure, but since I began using a better can and mounting the cans out in front that my MPGs improved by 1 - 2 MPG. Maybe they kept enough oil/gunk from the intake, prevented the valves from coking, and allowed the fuel spray to clean what was already on there over some time. So those who say they have the same MPGs for the past year and have no can, I wonder how much it would have improved over that time had you installed a quality can.
I can't prove, other than showing what I catch, that my engine will run better for a longer time. But I do know it won't run worse than if I had no can.
I don't know why for sure, but since I began using a better can and mounting the cans out in front that my MPGs improved by 1 - 2 MPG. Maybe they kept enough oil/gunk from the intake, prevented the valves from coking, and allowed the fuel spray to clean what was already on there over some time. So those who say they have the same MPGs for the past year and have no can, I wonder how much it would have improved over that time had you installed a quality can.