2WD vs 4WD Performance Differences
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4.30 would be a good ratio favoring performance, but I think you find them non-existent for your truck. I went through this when I geared my '05. It has a 9.75 rear and an 8.8r in the front, which I think is the same as you. I forget which, but one of the axles had no 4.30 available for it. In that case I took the next step and went 4.56 . The truck has a 4r75 with a fairly tall 1st and 2nd, and 35" tires. It makes very good use of the deep gearing. With 33's behind the 6r80 I think it'd be overkill, although it would go like a rocket.
I'm assuming gears are interchangeable between front and rear axle applications; i.e., gears aren't designed specifically for front or rear axle applications, no?
EDIT: Reading the negative Motive reviews on Amazon revealed they were all about receiving gears that didn't fit their specific application; none about quality issues. On another site, someone stated that there had been a consolidation of gear manufacturers to just a handful (e.g. Richmond, US Standard, Nitro) that get reboxed under different brands such as Motive. With similar quality across the board, the recommendation is to simply purchase the lowest cost set you can find.
Last edited by Augster; Dec 12, 2019 at 10:09 AM.
It was almost 5 years ago I did the '05 re-gear. At that point 4.30 appeared to be unobtainium. I really didn't look too hard though because I already had my heart set on 4.56. My first-drive impression was like two more cylinders had been added to the engine. Acceleration was effortless and the truck just wanted to run. What a difference. A lot of people who've never done it sit in front of their calculators and say 4.XX ratio is too much . They don't factor the increased mass of the big tires. You have to overshoot the ratio increase to get all the performance back. If you gear that truck to 4.3 with 33's, it's going to haul a** !! Your first drive is going to leave you with a permanent grin.
As to front vs. rear axle, yes there is a difference. The front is an 8.8R which means reverse rotation. The pinion comes in tangent to the top of the ring gear, not the bottom. It's technically known as an anoid gear, as opposed to hypoid. Also commonly referred to as a high pinion. A set of Mustang gears won't fit in the front of an F-150.
As to front vs. rear axle, yes there is a difference. The front is an 8.8R which means reverse rotation. The pinion comes in tangent to the top of the ring gear, not the bottom. It's technically known as an anoid gear, as opposed to hypoid. Also commonly referred to as a high pinion. A set of Mustang gears won't fit in the front of an F-150.
Last edited by PerryB; Dec 12, 2019 at 11:44 AM.
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As to front vs. rear axle, yes there is a difference. The front is an 8.8R which means reverse rotation. The pinion comes in tangent to the top of the ring gear, not the bottom. It's technically known as an anoid gear, as opposed to hypoid. Also commonly referred to as a high pinion. A set of Mustang gears won't fit in the front of an F-150.
Will go 4.11's if when the time comes and find that 4.30 8.8R's truly aren't available, since I will eventually add forced induction which will have plenty of low-end torque for the 4.11's driving 33's.
I had 4.56's in my '66 Mustang with 28" wheels shifted by a 4-speed Toploader and yes, it HAULS from stop... but absolutely screams RPM's at freeway speeds. Not practical at all without swapping to an overdrive tranny, which is on my long to-do list along with a Coyote-swap.
-- I wish you guys would quit putting foolish (expensive) ideas in my head....
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Yep, the Raptor Torsen is on my list, tho not yet fully committed. I'll cross that bridge when I regear and add Truetrac to the rear...




