Another which winch is best thread
#21
I will probably keep it in the bed with a ratchet strap when i will be in a situation that i might need it. It will also probably be on my trailer mount a good amount of time. Otherwise it will be in my garage at home. I also bought a trailer hitch locking pin to secure it, it won't take care of a dedicated thief, but it'll take care of the other 99%
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Even with an aftermarket winch bumper that sticks out substantially further than an OEM bumper (sorry, didn't measure to figure out exactly how far), I had to trim a lot of plastic from the intercooler air ducting to fit my winch, and I had to remote-mount the control unit. There's no way you're going to fit a winch behind a factory bumper with the intercooler in place.
#23
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Thanks for the discussion guys, but I'm still looking for information on the best quality winch I can get. We have drifted to a mounting discussion and I'm looking for what winch is the most durable, strongest, and heavy duty winch I can buy without regard to cost. If any product endorsement includes "for the money" it is off track.
To be perfectly honest, the vast majority of what I have looked at has been crap packaged to provide varying degrees of visual manliness targeted to specific price points. All the reviews I have seen seem to offer praise if a winch can survive one run to stall without self destructing. I have stalled my hydraulic literally thousands of times with absolutely no ill effect. Does anyone make an electric no $h1t work winch?
I may just give up and stay with my 17 year old hydraulic. Would require I develop a durable hydraulic power source. Maybe belt driven with an electric clutch.
EDIT with update: Just spoke about this with Mile Marker. After laughing at me a bit, the guy says that there is no such thing as an electric that can keep up with any hydraulic and that includes theirs. He says I need to stop wasting my time researching and get to fabricating a hydraulic power supply. Looks like an old school power steering pump with a v-belt is the answer. Can control using a 12v v-belt/clutch combo as used on a lawn mower. Good news is that I can keep a $2,000 winch I have and won't have to deal with a second battery and charging issues with the modern electrical system.
To be perfectly honest, the vast majority of what I have looked at has been crap packaged to provide varying degrees of visual manliness targeted to specific price points. All the reviews I have seen seem to offer praise if a winch can survive one run to stall without self destructing. I have stalled my hydraulic literally thousands of times with absolutely no ill effect. Does anyone make an electric no $h1t work winch?
I may just give up and stay with my 17 year old hydraulic. Would require I develop a durable hydraulic power source. Maybe belt driven with an electric clutch.
EDIT with update: Just spoke about this with Mile Marker. After laughing at me a bit, the guy says that there is no such thing as an electric that can keep up with any hydraulic and that includes theirs. He says I need to stop wasting my time researching and get to fabricating a hydraulic power supply. Looks like an old school power steering pump with a v-belt is the answer. Can control using a 12v v-belt/clutch combo as used on a lawn mower. Good news is that I can keep a $2,000 winch I have and won't have to deal with a second battery and charging issues with the modern electrical system.
Last edited by mikeinatlanta; 02-02-2018 at 10:12 AM.
#24
I'm afraid you will be disappointed in anything but a hydraulic winch if what you describe as your regular use is continued.
I'm old school and the Warn 8274 stand up would be the winch of choice for me. 8000# pulling machine for most vehicles. It may not have enough power for you. You may end up looking at some seriously large capacity electric winches to get your duty cycle high enough for your use. I looked into this a while back and if money was no object I likely would have gone Ramsey worm drive. I ended up with a Warn 9000 but that was driven by the used price and location.
Good luck.
I'm old school and the Warn 8274 stand up would be the winch of choice for me. 8000# pulling machine for most vehicles. It may not have enough power for you. You may end up looking at some seriously large capacity electric winches to get your duty cycle high enough for your use. I looked into this a while back and if money was no object I likely would have gone Ramsey worm drive. I ended up with a Warn 9000 but that was driven by the used price and location.
Good luck.
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If anything it should make the truck more reliable because of the lower pressure drop so the turbos dont have to work as hard and youre not blasting 180 degree air into the intake manifold like you are with the stock intercooler.
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I SERIOUSLY doubt this is true if all you do is install the intercooler. Nothing about the intercooler would effect emissions. If you put a tune on the truck that would be one thing, but just the intercooler should not have any effect.
If anything it should make the truck more reliable because of the lower pressure drop so the turbos dont have to work as hard and youre not blasting 180 degree air into the intake manifold like you are with the stock intercooler.
If anything it should make the truck more reliable because of the lower pressure drop so the turbos dont have to work as hard and youre not blasting 180 degree air into the intake manifold like you are with the stock intercooler.
Not trying to justify with this, just what HE SAID:
Aftermarket intercooler is better, however it flows more air which will cause the turbo to spool higher and void warranty
It will make more power than stock, void powertrain warranty
Shutters enhance warmup times, removal or disabling will void emissions warranty.
Not saying I buy into it, but also know it's an uphill fight I'm not up for when there are other options.
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While I understand you position, I had first word from the service manager, which was the same as two other dealerships. Last one happened to have a Ford engineer on site evaluating another issue so we snared him for clarification.
Not trying to justify with this, just what HE SAID:
Aftermarket intercooler is better, however it flows more air which will cause the turbo to spool higher and void warranty
It will make more power than stock, void powertrain warranty
Shutters enhance warmup times, removal or disabling will void emissions warranty.
Not saying I buy into it, but also know it's an uphill fight I'm not up for when there are other options.
Not trying to justify with this, just what HE SAID:
Aftermarket intercooler is better, however it flows more air which will cause the turbo to spool higher and void warranty
It will make more power than stock, void powertrain warranty
Shutters enhance warmup times, removal or disabling will void emissions warranty.
Not saying I buy into it, but also know it's an uphill fight I'm not up for when there are other options.
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While I understand you position, I had first word from the service manager, which was the same as two other dealerships. Last one happened to have a Ford engineer on site evaluating another issue so we snared him for clarification.
Not trying to justify with this, just what HE SAID:
Aftermarket intercooler is better, however it flows more air which will cause the turbo to spool higher and void warranty
It will make more power than stock, void powertrain warranty
Shutters enhance warmup times, removal or disabling will void emissions warranty.
Not saying I buy into it, but also know it's an uphill fight I'm not up for when there are other options.
Not trying to justify with this, just what HE SAID:
Aftermarket intercooler is better, however it flows more air which will cause the turbo to spool higher and void warranty
It will make more power than stock, void powertrain warranty
Shutters enhance warmup times, removal or disabling will void emissions warranty.
Not saying I buy into it, but also know it's an uphill fight I'm not up for when there are other options.
Maybe you should talk to that Ford engineer about adding a winch that will strain the electrical system or adding an electric hydraulic pump to power a hydraulic winch and see if your warranty will still be intact if you are worried about it. I bet his response will be any modification that wasn't from factory will void your warranty.
Mossy Ferguson is true, but Ford would have a good case with the straining the electrical system and not allowing the computers to get their necessary power and that ultimately caused the failure.