Whatever Happened to Satisfaction with the Average Pickup?
#71
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There is no way I would excel at fixing vehicles if I didn't like doing it, just doing it because I know how, I wouldn't put much effort into it, see the difference? Do you do exactly the same thing in and out of the office? If so then we agree.
I stand by my statement and cannot be deterred from thinking anything else. I've been around a long time my self, 54 yrs just so you know, it's a proven fact stress levels and job performance are directly related to how one feels about the job they do.
With all that said I think we've digressed from the actual thread topic enough.
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Last edited by RLXXI; 02-10-2019 at 07:25 PM.
#72
So back on topic.
When I was a kid my Dad had a 1970 something Dodge D100 truck. No options, strictly a base model. My Dad is a no frills guy and he drove that old truck for almost 20 years. It was 3 on the tree with the venerable slant 6 engine. During all that time it towed and hauled everything he needed it too and rarely gave him trouble which for him was more than enough.
However we never took trips in it or did anything as a family in it. In third gear on the highway the engine sounded like it was maxed out at 70 mph and the suspension didn't inspire confidence at that speed at all. And I remember the anxiety I had every time we went fishing because it took a lot of throttle to pull that boat up the ramp and I just knew we would roll back in the river. The slant 6 was virtually indestructible but not powerful.
Fast forward to today and I could tow his old Dodge D100 with my F-150 with the family on board on a cross country road trip with the cruise set to 80 mph, All in climate controlled comfort, navigation giving directions, streaming music from my phone.
Point is times change and expectation along with it. You see, my Dad's old truck was just a truck, it couldn't do anything else. Everything else that needed to be done was in my Mom's car. Today folks load up their truck to go to work just like my Dad did but now they stop and drop their kids off at the day care (safely secured in the back seat). Trucks are more than trucks now; they have evolved into versatile multi-use vehicles that fit in at the country club just as well as the construction site.
When I was a kid my Dad had a 1970 something Dodge D100 truck. No options, strictly a base model. My Dad is a no frills guy and he drove that old truck for almost 20 years. It was 3 on the tree with the venerable slant 6 engine. During all that time it towed and hauled everything he needed it too and rarely gave him trouble which for him was more than enough.
However we never took trips in it or did anything as a family in it. In third gear on the highway the engine sounded like it was maxed out at 70 mph and the suspension didn't inspire confidence at that speed at all. And I remember the anxiety I had every time we went fishing because it took a lot of throttle to pull that boat up the ramp and I just knew we would roll back in the river. The slant 6 was virtually indestructible but not powerful.
Fast forward to today and I could tow his old Dodge D100 with my F-150 with the family on board on a cross country road trip with the cruise set to 80 mph, All in climate controlled comfort, navigation giving directions, streaming music from my phone.
Point is times change and expectation along with it. You see, my Dad's old truck was just a truck, it couldn't do anything else. Everything else that needed to be done was in my Mom's car. Today folks load up their truck to go to work just like my Dad did but now they stop and drop their kids off at the day care (safely secured in the back seat). Trucks are more than trucks now; they have evolved into versatile multi-use vehicles that fit in at the country club just as well as the construction site.
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kenv47 (02-17-2019)
#73
Your missing my point completely, no matter whether I'm in the shop or out in the field I'm fixing vehicles. That has been my job for close to 40 years now and I love it! Perhaps your job has you doing many things?
There is no way I would excel at fixing vehicles if I didn't like doing it, just doing it because I know how, I wouldn't put much effort into it, see the difference? Do you do exactly the same thing in and out of the office? If so then we agree.
I stand by my statement and cannot be deterred from thinking anything else. I've been around a long time my self, 54 yrs just so you know, it's a proven fact stress levels and job performance are directly related to how one feels about the job they do.
With all that said I think we've digressed from the actual thread topic enough.
There is no way I would excel at fixing vehicles if I didn't like doing it, just doing it because I know how, I wouldn't put much effort into it, see the difference? Do you do exactly the same thing in and out of the office? If so then we agree.
I stand by my statement and cannot be deterred from thinking anything else. I've been around a long time my self, 54 yrs just so you know, it's a proven fact stress levels and job performance are directly related to how one feels about the job they do.
With all that said I think we've digressed from the actual thread topic enough.
We started this thread wondering about whether there is value to upscale trucks. I think there is. There was concern that people were spending too much on vehicles. I thought that people were but that this was a consequence of poor values rather that the marketplace. Then we started talking about jobs and I feel strongly that you get out of a job what you put into it. In summary, people need to own their decisions. The magic of the US economy provides opportunity and risk. It's up to the individual to exploit opportunity while mitigating risk. I drove inexpensive cars when I could not afford nice cars but enjoy a little luxury now that my finances are stable due to decades of good decisions.
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Spectragod (02-12-2019)
#74
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I work for General Electric Company. I was hired as an apprentice machinist. The Company put me in computer related assignments during my apprenticeship and paid for my BS in CS. I later completed something called the Information Systems Management Program. Since then, I have held a number of jobs in IT. Right now, I support classified programs. I can tell you with 100% certainty that I have never aspired to any of these roles, but I have always worked hard to excel in the roles and am very appreciative of salary and benefits which allow me to live a very nice lifestyle. That said, the job I have held which I enjoyed most (ignoring salary and benefits) was in produce in a grocery store. More important, I have never not enjoyed my job.
We started this thread wondering about whether there is value to upscale trucks. I think there is. There was concern that people were spending too much on vehicles. I thought that people were but that this was a consequence of poor values rather that the marketplace. Then we started talking about jobs and I feel strongly that you get out of a job what you put into it. In summary, people need to own their decisions. The magic of the US economy provides opportunity and risk. It's up to the individual to exploit opportunity while mitigating risk. I drove inexpensive cars when I could not afford nice cars but enjoy a little luxury now that my finances are stable due to decades of good decisions.
We started this thread wondering about whether there is value to upscale trucks. I think there is. There was concern that people were spending too much on vehicles. I thought that people were but that this was a consequence of poor values rather that the marketplace. Then we started talking about jobs and I feel strongly that you get out of a job what you put into it. In summary, people need to own their decisions. The magic of the US economy provides opportunity and risk. It's up to the individual to exploit opportunity while mitigating risk. I drove inexpensive cars when I could not afford nice cars but enjoy a little luxury now that my finances are stable due to decades of good decisions.
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#76
Super user
Wow, that was a lot to take in, in the 70's, I used to buy used cars for $50-100, why can't I buy them like that anymore.....good grief, do people have nothing else to complain about?
Life is what you make of it, period, if you want to have 5 ex wife's and 6 kids by the time your 40, you can, but you won't be buying a new anything as long as alimony and 18 year payments continue.
You can smoke, drink and hang out in booby bars, then complain you can't afford a truck like mine.
There are many more, I have heard it all, I worked a mobile install business for almost 20 years(while working a FT job), and always heard the same thing from people when I showed up in a new truck, so I switched to a cargo van, then the free candy comments came, I reached my goal of having the house paid for and a retirement set up, sold the van and never looked back. But the song and dance stories were always the same, people couldn't afford things because of their lifestyle and habits. I still work full time, 7 days a week for the most part, and average 1000+ hours of OT a year, that's why "I" can afford to have toys, I have worked for them. If it was easy, everyone would be doing it
Life is what you make of it, period, if you want to have 5 ex wife's and 6 kids by the time your 40, you can, but you won't be buying a new anything as long as alimony and 18 year payments continue.
You can smoke, drink and hang out in booby bars, then complain you can't afford a truck like mine.
There are many more, I have heard it all, I worked a mobile install business for almost 20 years(while working a FT job), and always heard the same thing from people when I showed up in a new truck, so I switched to a cargo van, then the free candy comments came, I reached my goal of having the house paid for and a retirement set up, sold the van and never looked back. But the song and dance stories were always the same, people couldn't afford things because of their lifestyle and habits. I still work full time, 7 days a week for the most part, and average 1000+ hours of OT a year, that's why "I" can afford to have toys, I have worked for them. If it was easy, everyone would be doing it
#77
Senior Member
There is a lot of good hard working responsible people that cannot afford these over priced trucks, and because they can't that doesn't make them a bunch of sorry SOB's that hang out at strip joints and get drunk 7 days a week.
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pete7713 (02-11-2019)
#78
Senior Member
A fairly base F100 in 1969 cost $2500, average base household income 1969 in $5800. Average wage 2017 $50000, my 2017 XL $27000. The differences in the x10 of both is the F150 base equipment not even available in 1969.
These figures are easily researched online and duplicated thru several sources. I use 1969 as that's when I went to work at the job worked at for 44 years.
The first new car by bride and I purchased was a Chevy Vega 1970, arguably a cheap compact economy car $2000. KM
These figures are easily researched online and duplicated thru several sources. I use 1969 as that's when I went to work at the job worked at for 44 years.
The first new car by bride and I purchased was a Chevy Vega 1970, arguably a cheap compact economy car $2000. KM
Last edited by 2017bluetruck; 02-11-2019 at 02:29 PM.
#79
XL forever!
Just as I am living in the house that I can afford, and not in the house I really want, why should vehicles be any different?
I think that some people resent the fact that they can't get a 2019 truck at 1985 prices, but still want that new 2019.
If $30k is too much for you, but you must have a new vehicle, there are other choices available.
I think that some people resent the fact that they can't get a 2019 truck at 1985 prices, but still want that new 2019.
If $30k is too much for you, but you must have a new vehicle, there are other choices available.
tough crowd.
#80
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