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Old Dec 20, 2022 | 05:38 PM
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I thought this was funny:
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Old Dec 20, 2022 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve83
Why would anyone want a vehicle that only goes 24 miles, and then dies, requiring a tow service to bring a generator? Especially one that will have zero value at 5 years old because its battery will be shot, and is prohibitively expensive to replace; AND one that does so much environmental damage before it's even bought, plus even more when its battery gets scrapped because there is no recycling for them. A vehicle that requires rare, expensive, & SLOW re-"fueling", by high-pollution powerplants (meaning it really runs on coal).

Call me crazy, but I'll stick with gasoline & diesel trucks.
Because it goes more than 24 miles.
If you need a tow service and a generator you are clearly too stupid to be driving an EV or any vehicle hence should probably take a bus.

Batteries have 10 year warranties and are designed to last a lot more.
I'd rather take my chances with an EV then buy another ecoboost that is going to fail within 50 thousand miles.

Our Extended Range Tesla charges to 80% in 40 minutes.
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Old Dec 20, 2022 | 10:50 PM
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That is not "roadside assistance" although they sometimes do. That is the Mobile Technician. Rather than you go to the service center they come to you. One came to replace my airbags, and another time replaced the leaking center console LCD.

Tesla used to operate a fleet of Ford Powerstroke Superdutys with an aluminum trailer for pickup/delivery.
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Old Dec 20, 2022 | 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve83
Why would anyone want a vehicle that only goes 24 miles, and then dies, requiring a tow service to bring a generator? Especially one that will have zero value at 5 years old because its battery will be shot, and is prohibitively expensive to replace; AND one that does so much environmental damage before it's even bought, plus even more when its battery gets scrapped because there is no recycling for them. A vehicle that requires rare, expensive, & SLOW re-"fueling", by high-pollution powerplants (meaning it really runs on coal).
Golly I certainly wouldn't want one of those.

Then again if that is your level of knowledge I would't buy anything from you.

EV batteries have a 100% replacement warranty for 100,000 miles or 8 years whichever comes first. In CARB states the warranty is 150,000 miles or 10 years.

I love powering my EV with coal. You can't power your gasoline or diesel truck with coal, but I can power my EV with coal, natural gas, nuclear, solar, hydro, oil, ... anything that can produce electricity. But you have to go to great unique extremes to convert corn into something your engine can use. While I can use the same electric outlet used to power your computer.

As for "dirty old coal", a Tesla Model S power hog at 380 Wh/mile powered by 100% coal-fired electricity in a North America/USA generating plant emits about the same CO2 as a gasoline automobile at 30 MPG. But the Tesla can effortlessly use carbon-free sources of electricity.

So if you think coal is dirty, you don't know. Besides, coal is clean enough to keep your beer cold so why is not not clean enough to power your vehicles?
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Old Dec 21, 2022 | 11:31 PM
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Was there anything truthful in his or postman's comments?

EV batteries not being recyclable is a blatant lie that was formed on the back of a truth (at the time, years ago) when Tesla first started production: It wasn't cost effective to recycle the components of Li-Ion batteries. We're not in 2008, time to grow up or be left behind as ancient relics of a bygone era that everyone is glad to be rid of.

Since then, a lot of research has been done to learn what we can do with all type of lithium and other rechargeable batteries. There is an entire industry that's re-purposing lithium battery packs RIGHT NOW to get another two decades of use out of them, and 50% of the battery packs are from EV's. EV mfg's are starting to build compartmentalized packs that are comprised of smaller units that don't have to be broken down to repurpose, and are designing them to be swapped quickly, to reduce the cost of extending the life of the vehicle. Several processes have been developed for efficiently shredding and extracting the components of various Lithium batteries, with some facilities recovering greater than 98% of the rare metals and toxic components.

Stop regurgitating lies. EV's won't hurt you, and you don't have to buy them.
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Old Dec 22, 2022 | 10:30 AM
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My Model S battery contains over 7000 18650 (that is a battery type) lithium cells arranged in 16 independent battery modules. The Tesla service center will not open the battery assembly but many independents will. The modules are widely available on eBay.

Most consider an EV battery EOL when capacity falls to under 70% of new. Yet it is still a perfectly good battery only with reduced capacity. Perfect for home energy storage where the weight is of little concern.
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Old Dec 22, 2022 | 07:01 PM
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EOL for a vehicle that needs a minimum range per charge, not EOL for the lights in your house that can run for a week off one of those modules if it only had 50% original capacity, or to power your PC for 5 hours.
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Originally Posted by Steve83
Why would anyone want a vehicle that only goes 24 miles, and then dies, requiring a tow service to bring a generator? Especially one that will have zero value at 5 years old because its battery will be shot, and is prohibitively expensive to replace; AND one that does so much environmental damage before it's even bought, plus even more when its battery gets scrapped because there is no recycling for them. A vehicle that requires rare, expensive, & SLOW re-"fueling", by high-pollution powerplants (meaning it really runs on coal).

Call me crazy, but I'll stick with gasoline & diesel trucks.
lol Pretty much spot on except for the 24 miles.....and perhaps the battery life cycle. Fact is EV's are a non solution to a problem that does not exist.


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Because it goes more than 24 miles.
If you need a tow service and a generator you are clearly too stupid to be driving an EV or any vehicle hence should probably take a bus.

Batteries have 10 year warranties and are designed to last a lot more.
I'd rather take my chances with an EV then buy another ecoboost that is going to fail within 50 thousand miles.

Our Extended Range Tesla charges to 80% in 40 minutes.
Literally takes me 5 min to fill up my truck. So like 10 3.5 ecos blew in the first 50k miles out of like what 2,000,000+ sold? not seeing the risk.
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Old Dec 23, 2022 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Speedfreak400
lol Pretty much spot on except for the 24 miles.....and perhaps the battery life cycle. Fact is EV's are a non solution to a problem that does not exist.


Literally takes me 5 min to fill up my truck. So like 10 3.5 ecos blew in the first 50k miles out of like what 2,000,000+ sold? not seeing the risk.
LOL
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Old Dec 23, 2022 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Speedfreak400
lol Pretty much spot on except for the 24 miles.....and perhaps the battery life cycle. Fact is EV's are a non solution to a problem that does not exist.
So is diesel. So is ethanol. But diversity is always good except when forced such as with “equal opportunity employment” and recruiting quotas by race.

Literally takes me 5 min to fill up my truck. So like 10 3.5 ecos blew in the first 50k miles out of like what 2,000,000+ sold? not seeing the risk.
Video, or it didn’t happen. People say 5 minutes but the clock starts when you divert from regular route to pull into a gas station. Ends when one is back on route at speed. Even on interstate filling at a station located at the interchange takes 15 minutes.

More than 10 of 2,000,000 failed. Document your claim, don’t pull numbers out of your….

“Literally” takes me 30 seconds to fill my Tesla. 15 seconds to plug in when I park at home. 15 seconds to unplug the next morning. 3.5¢/mile. Cost equivalent of 77 MPG at $2.699/gallon. And meanwhile I get to drive a 5 second 0-60 car luxury GT.
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