F-150 Towing issue
I have a 2017 F-150 4x4 Supercrew 2.7L V6 3.55 Axle Ratio, w a factory tow package.
GCWR 12,800
GVWR 6500
Curb weight 5540 (at scales)
R-GAWR 3300
I'm looking to tow 3000 lb trailer. According to my math it does not work on my truck model. (i've never towed before or use a weight distribution hitch)
GCWR i'm good: curbweight 5540 + passengers 500 + luggage in truck 400 + camper weight dry 3000 + 500 gear and liquids in camper= 9940
GVWR: i'm NOT good: curbweight 5540 + passengers 500 + luggage in truck 400 + 10% tongue weight 350 = 6790 // this is OVER my GVWR.
R-GAWR: I'm NOT good: curbweight 5540 + passengers 500 + luggage in truck 400 = 6440 / 2 (assuming all is balanced) = 3220 per axle + 350 tongue weight on rear axle = 3570 // that is OVER my GAWR
In my GAWR math I assumed weight is distributed evenly before applying the tongue hitch weight. I also did not account for utilizing a weight distribution hitch; which from my understanding can transfer weight from the rear axle to the front axle and to the axle on the camper; but I'm still over on my GVWR.
Any thoughts?
GCWR 12,800
GVWR 6500
Curb weight 5540 (at scales)
R-GAWR 3300
I'm looking to tow 3000 lb trailer. According to my math it does not work on my truck model. (i've never towed before or use a weight distribution hitch)
GCWR i'm good: curbweight 5540 + passengers 500 + luggage in truck 400 + camper weight dry 3000 + 500 gear and liquids in camper= 9940
GVWR: i'm NOT good: curbweight 5540 + passengers 500 + luggage in truck 400 + 10% tongue weight 350 = 6790 // this is OVER my GVWR.
R-GAWR: I'm NOT good: curbweight 5540 + passengers 500 + luggage in truck 400 = 6440 / 2 (assuming all is balanced) = 3220 per axle + 350 tongue weight on rear axle = 3570 // that is OVER my GAWR
In my GAWR math I assumed weight is distributed evenly before applying the tongue hitch weight. I also did not account for utilizing a weight distribution hitch; which from my understanding can transfer weight from the rear axle to the front axle and to the axle on the camper; but I'm still over on my GVWR.
Any thoughts?
There is a payload rating sticker on the drivers door, or door jamb. What is it rated at? That number should be the actual trucks curb weight when it left the factory subtracted from GVWR. On most trucks it will fall somewhere between 1600-1800 lbs but some are lower, some higher. The way you've figured it you only have 960 lbs payload. Actually weighing the truck the way you did is usually more accurate, but I've never seen a truck with less than 1100 lbs payload.
Which trim level do you have, XLT, Lariat, etc.? The curb weight on a base model truck should be around 4860. At 5540 your truck has almost 700 lbs of additional weight coming from somewhere. The higher end trucks with more options weigh more cutting down on payload. Modifications to the truck such as winches, skid plates, caps, and other gear adds weight as well as any tools or gear that stays in the truck.
If you can lighten the truck by removing some of those things it might help. Also if you can move the 400 lbs of luggage into the trailer it would help a bunch. It would take about 350 lbs off the trucks suspension and get you in specs.
But to be honest, if I had a 1/2 ton truck that was borderline on being able to pull 3000 lbs I'd be shopping for another truck. Be aware that in the real world very few trucks out there will actually tow the max number they are rated for. Your truck is rated at 7700 lbs. But obviously won't handle that much weight. When shopping the most important number is the payload. That almost always is what limits how much you can tow.
Which trim level do you have, XLT, Lariat, etc.? The curb weight on a base model truck should be around 4860. At 5540 your truck has almost 700 lbs of additional weight coming from somewhere. The higher end trucks with more options weigh more cutting down on payload. Modifications to the truck such as winches, skid plates, caps, and other gear adds weight as well as any tools or gear that stays in the truck.
If you can lighten the truck by removing some of those things it might help. Also if you can move the 400 lbs of luggage into the trailer it would help a bunch. It would take about 350 lbs off the trucks suspension and get you in specs.
But to be honest, if I had a 1/2 ton truck that was borderline on being able to pull 3000 lbs I'd be shopping for another truck. Be aware that in the real world very few trucks out there will actually tow the max number they are rated for. Your truck is rated at 7700 lbs. But obviously won't handle that much weight. When shopping the most important number is the payload. That almost always is what limits how much you can tow.
I get that tow ratings are probably inflated, but I don't understand how a truck with a tow rating of 7,700 can't handle a 3,000 pound trailer. I mean, I can understand how all these things are taken into account and can add up, but it doesn't seem right that "actual" towing capability is less than half of what Ford says it is (even with the trailer loaded with 500 pounds more of gear).
5540 sounds extremely high for a 2.7L. My Lariat truck is a 100 lbs. lighter with 6.5' bed, moon roof, LT tires, bed mat, and folding cover. I will reiterate the previous question. What is you payload on the yellow door sticker?
GAWR GVWR
combined weight for cargo and occupants limit
purchase sticker 1
purchase sticker 2 (this has the skid plate)Thank you for all the input; I think I am getting closer to a way forward. Here are some updates:
See all stickers attached to include additional optional equipment on the vehicle, what’s not on the pictures is the Leer topper I added w a Leer Locker on the back, the toper w locker is 200 lbs. There is an off road package w skid plates so probably adds additional weight as noted by @marshallr.
I just went and re-weighed the vehicle w a full tank of gas; came up at 5,520 bs (inside the truck are 2 child seats)
So this and the suggestion to put all / most cargo in the actual camper changes the numbers somewhat; also the new math assumes I take off the topper w locker.
marshallr: see updates above. I guess the real question is should I be driving across country at 100% capacity or where is the right percetage on these things; perhaps being at 80% capacity is good. That being said on the fence on upgrading to a 3/4 truck.
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@Shann & @GMC to Ford thank you for the reply: see updates above. I guess the real question is should I be driving across country at 100% capacity? or where is the right percentage on these things?; perhaps being at 80% capacity is good. That being said on the fence on upgrading to a 3/4 truck.
I would not worry about being at capacity. For that trailer you are a long way from needing a 3/4 ton, a better equipped 1/2 ton is more then adequate. Unfortunately your has one of the lowest ratings I have seen.
According to the yellow sticker on your door jamb you have almost 1,400lbs of payload capacity (1,375). That is, you can add 500lbs of passengers plus 400lbs of luggage (900lbs) and you're left with 475lbs for a WDH and tongue weight. To calculate the approximate tongue weight of the trailer, estimate 13% of the trailers GVWR and you'll be closer to reality. Also, is it possible to move some of the luggage into the trailer (while staying under the trailers GVWR)?
The F150 equiped with the 2.7EB with the available "Payload Package" will get higher cargo capacities normally seen on other F150s.
The F150 equiped with the 2.7EB with the available "Payload Package" will get higher cargo capacities normally seen on other F150s.









