2014 F-150 coded P552
 

The latest information regarding the new 2014 or maybe 2015 F-150 was announced this morning. It looks like we'll see the addition of 2 new engines and quite a few nice features we've all been waiting for.

-Heated Steering wheel
-Extensive use of Aluminum
-multi contour seats like the SHO/MKS
-360 degree camera
-Active park assist
-LED box lighting
-tailgate dampener
-box with storage for ramps
-remote unlocking tailgate
-LED headlamps
-Active grille shutters
-stop start technology
-AND MORE...

As far as engines the 5.0L v8 and the 3.5L ecoboost are here to stay and are rumored to have increased fuel economy ratings along with more towing capacity thanks to the use of aluminum. They will be joined by a 2.7L V6 ecoboost 320hp/375 ft/lbs and a 3.5 N/A entry level v6 280hp/250 ft/lbs.

For those of you wanting a 6.2l V8 now is your time to go out and get one or order one before they are a thing of the past.

I wanted to share this with you guys first and we're looking forward to what the next generation of F-150's have in store for us.

-509-FORD

Why would I want the tailgate to be more damp?

lol, i believe that means a spring or gas shock assist to close it with less effort

Are they coming in '13 as '14 models? Or in '14 as '15 models?

I have been getting the itch to get a new one, but want to hold out until new bodystyles

I'm guessing they won't be available until fall 2013. Nice additions (grille shutters).

Fall of 2013 I'm guessing. I shared the majority of what we know. :)

Can't wait to see one , On my driveway .lol

I'm surprised we haven't seen concepts or anything yet if they will be out in less than a year

i keep seeing more and more reasons to buy a '13 with all the info for '14

Thanks 509,
I like the list so far!

Sounds like I might have to get a 2015 when they come out, I was going to keep my 2012 for 10 yrs.....lol.... I have a habit of doing that...lol

Is there going to be any body changes???
or Factory leveling kits
Would be nice if there was more room storage on the box, like the Ram has......

I love my 2012..so far......and all the Mods I did.....

Grant

I've never understood that. This is a truck right? Who needs a dampener for the tailgate. What's next? A power tailgate?

I saw a guy stand at the rear of his SUV yesterday literally for 3-4 minutes playing with his keyfob to operate the power rear hatch on his SUV. In those 3-4 minutes I would have opened the hatch with.....(wait for it)......MY HAND, and tossed my stuff inside and driven off.

I don't know much on anything other than I shared. We had a comparison sheet come out comparing the 2014 Chebbys and F-150s and it had 2 columns for the F-150. P415 and P552. P552 is the code for the 2014-2015 F-150's and what we can expect as available new equipment. So what you see is what you get for now. :whistling2:When I see the new order guides come out in a few months I'll post up anything different.

I'm going to say no on factory level kits. It's hard enough pulling the older crowd from the low rider 2 wheel driving looking 4x4 chevs in the NW to our Fords, due to the height getting in. Thankfully AMP's Power running boards are $1500 installed and drop 5.5" lower than factory tube steps. Making our Fords work for just about everyone. :thumbsup:

As far as body changes go I would expect with the extensive use of aluminum there will be slight changes. I was surprised to see LED headlamps listed when we just go the first HID headlamps... I'm not sure what that's all about. Maybe just a leak mistake...

It's been great seeing all the changes that have happened in 2011+ and I can't wait to see what the future holds. I find it interesting things like the led bed lights many of you have added on here are things we'll see as standard equipment in the future. Lots of good info here on F150forum.

2.7L V6??? And people think the 3.5 sounds bad with exhaust lol.....move over Civic!!! There's a new ricer in town :jester:

PS the only thing I wish I had right now from this list is a heat steering wheel. That's really the only thing my buddies with dodges have over me lol

I know it sounds stupid when you hear about a 2.7EB. But, maybe for people like me who don't really need a truck it might make sense. It should have plenty of power/torque as a daily driver if you wanted that.

I don't need a truck, I don't tow anything either. I just felt like driving a truck after driving cars/suv's my whole life. The truck just seemed simple to me. No pretensions.

I think Im in the older Generation.....lol.....50's club.....lol...

Thanks,
The tube step looks nice but its tucked in the truck, seems like I only get my toes on it, wish it was out about 3" out further....and a grab handle by the drivers door piller (right side) would be nice, the one on our 2008 FX4 tube step has better footing I noticed.

Im on disablity for nerve and muscle damage, and that door opening is a real, hard to handle sometimes, getting out is the worst in a tight spot,
they really need to fix the opening of the door, opens way to wide with no middle dent stop. It sux in these little parking spaces they make and people pull in close. BUT If I didn't have Leveling kit and 34" tires it might be different getting out, and im short only 5-7"....lol.need grab handles for us disabled people.......

Locks on the console and glove box I miss alot, from my other Vehicles i have......
Bed lights will rock!

take care

Grant

Thanks for the info 509-ford!

I read somewhere that the new body will be more "agressive"

All is very interesting.

So still no 1/2 ton diesel. I'm not sure why the manufacturers won't make what the consumer wants. With high sales numbers of SD trucks, they must know there is a market.

A 4-4.8 Liter I-6 or V-8 diesel would sell like hot cakes. Especially if you could get HWY mileage of @ 26-28.

They flat out said last year they will not make one. Adding a diesel to a half ton will add 10k to the asking price off the bat. At that point it's more economical to buy a SD.

There is no doubt with EPA fuel standards that all manuf. have to meet Ford has to find ways to increase the ave fuel economy on all cars/trucks (excl SD). There was another report that Ford will lighten these trucks by 700-750 lbs. to achieve higher fuel mileage. It will all come out at the big auto shows. Seems to me if you are in the market for a new pickup and want the muscle, your gonna have to go to a 3/4 truck to get it. I expect Super Duty sales to rise in the coming years. Not a bad thing right?:thumbsup:

It's funny and sad that people believe that a diesel engine costs more to make (at least not 10K more). It is a profit margin that they have found people will pay. At some point, they will raise the price difference enough that people won't pay it. Until then, they keep the public believing that it costs a lot more to make them and they pass that along to the consumer. Why is there an up charge for the 6.2 or for the EB, it's profit. A 6.2L may be less expensive to build than a 5.0.

Again, the consumer has (for years now) asked for a product (1/2 ton diesel), and we have not gotten it.

If there was truly money to be made selling a half ton diesel, it would be in market. The customer may know what they want, but the expectation of the resulting mileage is off. You're not going to see a 40 MPG from F150 with a small "efficient" diesel, you'd be very lucky to see 30. It's a heavy vehicle with truck aerodynamics, not a Jetta.

A significant portion of the expense in the diesel option is not the motor itself, but the emissions/exhaust system. Even if a diesel was only adding 4,000 to the price, the return on investment still wouldn't make sense. Calculate the cost of the option VS. the $$ saved on fuel and your return on investment is too far out to make sense for the vast majority of people. On the sales side, tooling up an engine/exhaust system option that would end up with a low take rate doesn't make sense from Ford's perspective either.

DNW start stop technology- bmw's is very harsh and i assume Ford's would be similar.

The year is wrong, it's not a 2014. The specs are pretty much correct. Also if they were going to put a diesel in it I would imagine it would be the 3.2L power stroke that's going to be available in the 2014 ford transit

wrong!

When will they?

Ford has already said they may preview the completely updated 2015 F150 at the Detroit International Auto show.

Correct.

2015 my truck is paid off so i'm getting excited to see what ford has got in store, if this truck is 700 pounds lighter and more aerodynamic I don't see a reason for me to spends the extra $$ on a diesel

I hope ford keeps leading the pack! the sexiest truck on the go hands down,

but box lighting and tail gate lock etc by 2015 will probably be standard on all trucks, I'm hoping for 4 wheel steering and a 7' box the denali 1500 in 2004 had 4 wheel steering you could park that thing like a smart car!

Lots of good information in this thread. I love the new features being added.

I'm getting really excited to get a peak at the 2015 F-150. When is the Detroit International Auto show?

And subscribed!

Seems like most additions are for the better. Not knowing everything it's hard to tell. Thanks for the info OP :thumbsup:

This truck is awesome!

Twice the ball joints oiy

It'll be interesting to see how much aluminum is used overall. Thanks OP for the info!

Just read the article about Europe having Diesels, for ever I rem, would they ever bring back the Blower's again like they had back in the day On the Diesels's.....???????????????

I rem when we use to Own Ford LT 9000 Tandem gravel trucks, and they had the Detroit Diesels in them with 6:71 Blowers on them......
We use to call them the screamin Mee-Mee's......lol
Then we went to Cat Egine's as they were alot better Engine for the application, to bad Cat didn't make something for the F150 trucks

was just a thought, as it seems some are scared off by the Turbo's......I was thinking what else could we put on the Diesels.......Mind you I had one Misshap with a turbo on one of my Graders, Cat 3306 the fin broke off went through the turbo and crunched 2 cylinders & pistons and the head, that was an expesive fix parts alone were 14,000.00, we fixed in Our shop, my cousin helped me he is a Cat Mechanic so it kept the cost down of the repair, from going to a Cat dealer, after that I bought Champion Graders with Cummings in them, way better fuel efficency and they got bought out by Volvo......lol

I wish they would put the Turbo on the V8's, then I would have bought a turbo.......

Grant

subscribed. thanks for the info, it sounds like it's gonna be good:)

That doesn't prove anything. Either way there wont be a diesel for the f150.

So they think the 3.7 wasn't that great and are not bringing it back?

I do like my 3.7, but wish either it weighed less(they sell solid feeling truck aka heavier) or had more torque, 0-30, or hills does not make me happy in this truck.

But other than that, love it. I don't tow, mostly hauling, and I work at a construction site with plenty of mud, so I'm happy to drive it around there. 150 acre site.

I still don't know why a 3.5 V6 280 HP, worse than the 3.7, would be the entry engine. 3.7 would be great if you are planning on losing 500-700 lbs.

2.7 V6 Ecoboost lol, I guess they wanted to bring in a racing model? to compete with the Chevy SS, and SRT? or whatever they are running now.

Well i guess i might be in the minority category about the new truck. I don't think the truck loosing 700 lbs is a good thing. With the 3.5 ecoboost continuing the max tow will probably be the same rating as the present f150. so with the next gen f150 being lighter a larger trailer is going to push you all over the road. plus with all those fancy options like 360 view cameras, park assist, and stop start technology are just going to break in a couple years. These new 1/2 tons are getting to far away from a truck and are big cars. I think my present f150 will probably be my last 1/2 ton, 3/4+ will be the way to go to have a real truck.

Hopefully they still sell xl and xlt for the real truck crowd. I prefer barebones less issues.

I agree with you for the most part. park assist? people can't drive anymore. :no: stop start is....yuck.

the weight loss is a good thing for fuel economy...but for towing, an SD definitely looks to be in order :yes:

agreed. I prefer more basic as well, not one for luxury.

park assist? I wouldn't use that....stop start? there better be a way to disconnect it and that way better be legal, if I'm gonna drive it lol.

saving gas, is that much of a burden while sitting in traffic or at a light?


Seems like they are going to improve drag with grille shutters.

the stop start is one more thing that won't save enough gas to be worth it IMO, and something else to give out...

but the grille shutters sound good.

This was just an FYI. I never said that this was going to happen. :thumbsup:

If you think of it that way, even the grille shutters would give out.

Most of this stuff isn't found on a heavy duty/construction vehicle, I know its not a 3/4 ton.

I guess its all depends on how you plan to use your truck.

Also I feel like some of the options will only be available, on the 'race engine' 2.6L V6. like stop start, grille shutters. It like having a truck just to have one, i guess they found a niche market.

yes, but grille shutters giving out won't leave you stranded on a road, unlike a stop start system malfunctioning can. and yes "normal" engine issues could, but stop start will only increase the likelihood of it.....it has pros and cons, but I wouldn't want it. it won't save enough gas to be worth it IMO, not near worth it. hope it is optional...not that I'll be buying one for over a decade if I ever do lol.

the 2.7 eco...I'm interested in that one. I can see it turning out terrible, or just great. with this new info out I'll be paying attention to "truck news" online closely for the next while.

Guys can we stop the "this won't work" stuff?

I know I'm for one I am excited about the new F150. I'm also proud to be a Ford owner because the fact is Ford, once again, is leading the way with innovation it the pick up department. Maybe half of you won't like the "start-stop" feature but I guaran-damn-tee you there is a lot who will.
I can also guarantee that most of this "niche" stuff will be optional. They will charge a premium for these creature comforts like they do with existing options. It's just how it is.
I will, however, be sticking to my 2012.
1.) because it has all the options I'll ever need
2.) I can't wait for no more truck payments ;)

I'm excited as well, but if I see a problem, I voice my opinion on it. some might like start-stop, but I know most of the time, if I had it, It would waste more gas than it's meant to save.

I'm quite excited for it though. I just hope the new truck looks better than the current. (which is also very nice, but as nice as it is, it's a step down from the previous gens as far as looks go IMO)

You don't have to repeat it over and over and over. One post is enough :wallbash:

Your opinions are just that, opinions. You or no one else here's opinion is greater than anyone else's. Nothing we say here can really change what is going to be on this pickup. Take it or leave it.

sorry, I'm not trying to repeat it over and over. and yes, it's just my opinion and anyone else's. and I'm not trying to make it sound like it's greater than anyone else's, and if I do, I'm not meaning to and I apologize. and on that note, as you say, I don't think we have much choice but to take it lol....

The start-stop feature may not save THAT much fuel but with CAFE standards getting tighter and tighter. Features like this will unfortunately become a necessity.
By the way I didn't mention this in previous posts. I can't believe ford will be shelving the 6.2L in the 150 series. It's a move in the wrong direction for the guys who want displacement over technology. Plus GM just announced they are releasing a DI 6.2 that will be a mountain of power. I don't see why ford would just pull the motor instead of DI their 6.2....
Just my 2 cents. I guess all the info will come eventually.

you have a good point for sure, but in that same post you mention what I would guess to be the reason: fuel economy.

The way I see it is this. They are trying to drop the F150 down to fill the Ranger spot as well as still be more capable than the other 1/2 tons. Anyone towing or hauling alot should be using a SD anyways so they are consolidating their line into more options instead of more models. Better fuel economy, better sales and better profit. Net beats gross every day of the week, end of story.

and I think that pretty much describes it :yes:

but from the sounds of it, superduty sales will probably increse a bit after the 13th gen trucks are released lol....

This. I guess soon you will only be able to pull a small utility trailer behind the new f150 and any larger trailer will be for bigger trucks.

Look at the UK. They haul their "caravans" with cars. Rarely will you ever see a truck. This is the way it will become here unfortunately. :(

I dunno. People here still insist on hauling giant things with their trucks.

Funny thing is the 2.7 has more Hp and torque than the 5.4L and its half the size. Hahaha

:laughing: Some of the know-it-alls and speculation in this thread makes me laugh.

I trust Ford will do its thing and impress as always. If not, I guess you can jump ship and buy something else right?

And who but you would know better than the Ford engineers... right?

They should hire you so you can save them from making such a horrible mistake. :whistling2:

****, where did that come from? I repeatedly stated it was just my opinion and I'll I'm saying is I wouldn't buy it.

all it would do for me is keep me stopped longer than without it, and provide an extra inconvenience.....

I just found it funny you are so dead set on the "fact" that it wouldn't save enough gas to make it worth it. Seems to me they wouldn't introduce the technology if it wasn't worth it, or wasn't going to work. That is all.

well thank you for that, just your original post did seem a bit...different than that.

I didn't say it was a fact, I said it was my opinion. It would save gas for some for sure, but the majority of the time, for me, and my truck, my driving, it wouldn't. I think I would know that lol...

hahha, I'd like to know how it wouldn't save YOU gas.

If you are ideal-ing your engine, it would save you gas. Essentially there would be a small separate electric motor to run thing that usually run with the engine belt, like AC.

And it only works for short periods, if you sit still for longer than programmed time, i'm sure you engine will be back on. It only is supposed to save 5 to 10 %.

Hahh, I just noticed "my driving' part, I guess you have a heavy foot then.

I'm guessing you drive somewhere, where there is no traffic or lights.

that's about it. if I was going somewhere busy, yes, I'm sure it would, which is why I said I think it should be an option, not just not offered at all.

a good amount of the time you put the brake down in my area, or most areas I'd go to, chances are the pedal would no sooner be down than up again. that engine better start up again awful fast, or it's just a hassle (for me). and considering that scenario with the fact that engines rev up when started...it might waste more gas than it's meant to save (for me).

I just hope it only works with the brake fully applied, not any less.

Usually for non hybrid, it has to hit a certain time of idle before it shuts off, and come to complete stop. And if its in idle too long then it kicks right back on. Like leaving engine on, to load something or going in and out of your truck, sometimes no point in turning the engine every 5-10 mins.

yeah that makes sense :)....well If I was driving it it probably wouldn't engage too much lol. I just didn't know they did have that....yeah, that wouldn't be too bad, but frankly I'd (personally) just assume not have it....but I am looking forward to seeing what the new trucks bring....

The truck I'm driving now is an '04 with the 5.4...it only has 60K because it's not my daily driver. It looks, runs and even still smells new. I paid cash for it. I drive it from Denver to Utah, Arizona on vacation backpacking and camping trips 2-4 times a year.

It gets 17 mpg, straight up, every time. That's with 2 people and about 500 pounds of gear in the bed. I'm excited to see the new truck, too...but I won't consider buying a new one until the one I have starts giving me serious problems or they start getting 25 plus on the highway...and I mean a solid 25.

It's all a matter of recovering the dollars...those spent to upgrade vs. the savings in gas. I'll never drive anything but a truck, and it sounds like I'll have my '04 for quite a while. Kudos to all the guys who have to have the latest and greatest, but when you're talking thousands of dollars...maybe I'm just frugal, and smart LOL...

Ah, who knows? Maybe when they come out I'll get all jacked up and just go nuts...we get a look at it next week. One things for sure, Chevy's latest designs really screwed the pooch...I suggest buying Ford stock, seriously.

Has there been any spied photos or renderings of the new body style? As the Detroit International Auto Show draws closer I am getting really excited to see this new F-150! :thumbup:

I don't hate the new Chevy design. It's pretty similar to the outgoing trucks, which I suppose isn't really good or bad, they've sold well, so it's the safe approach.

I'm going to be more interested in hearing the details of the new engines. I'm surprised GM didn't throw the 3.6 liter V6 into the new trucks - it's a great engine with nice power, solid fuel economy, and a good reliability record. Ford has reaped a lot of success with the truck-duty modified 3.7 and Chrysler is doing well with the Pentastar in the new Rams.

It looks like the new GM trucks are likely to catch up to the F-150 in terms of fuel economy and features. The trouble is it looks like the trucks will catch up to the current generation F-150s right before the F-150 moves to its next-gen platform.

I'm a smart ass by nature. Sorry but I thought I was being funny when I said it. Anyways, I know it was your opinion but you spoke as if it were fact.

Ok I gotta say it. All of your previous comments on this stop start technology really hold no weight as its apparent you don't understand how it works. The engine (to my understanding) will not shut off the moment you slow down or push the brakes. Its designed to shut off when fully stopped like at stop lights for extended periods of time or other times of extended idle periods while still in drive.

I think you are still too used to the old technology of your current truck. Things have come a long way since then. :thumbsup:

first, again sorry if I make my opinion sound like fact, I'm not trying to and I apologize if I do.

as to comments holding weight, I do understand how it works, but I'm just concerned as to how soon it works...and if it does cut in later as you say it should, all the better. and really nothing holds weight right now. first comments were based on incomplete information, and still are now lol.

and (again sorry if this is the case), you might be taking me the wrong way, you might think I'm trying to state fact, even as it applies personally, but I'm just bringing up a concern and questioning it....

I'm still a bit out on this though.....

but, we (I or anyone) won't be able to really make judgemants, and really make comments that "hold weight", untill the new trucks are out, or at least confirmed detailed information on them. for now, all I've said, or anyone's said (besides those on the inside of ford haha), is just speculation.

and I'm not going to judge too much untile they ARE out, nothing's confirmed yet. and when they are released, it should be over a decade before I have to mess with them, so I'm not going to care too much for now....lol.

Sounds awesome. I for one would benefit from start stop tech since 90% of my driving is in the city. I'm hoping for some other features though, namely:

1 - keyless entry + push to start
2 - bed storage like rambox except with a much beefier lock. Rambox is way to easy to break into
3 - 8 spd transmission for a very low end first gear for city driving and high end for highway
4 - my ford touch that isn't buggy
5 - hybrid - I know this won't be here for 2015 but I'm hoping the partnership with Toyota and ford brings forth some awesome results for city mileage.

Dude, that's exactly what I'm talking about...they're continually behind the 8 ball and now they're stuck with those trucks for at least 5 years. It's also said that they're not any lighter than the outgoing models...so if they bust out some new engines in the next 2 years or so, they'd really better be groundbreaking to move all that meat down the road. Somebody's gotta be out in front, and it sure as hell isn't GM.

:lol:...there it is, there's the way it's been for decades in many ways....lol

I understand Ford is, and will stay ahead of the pack with these additions/improvements. However some of these new ideas are the reason I when ahead with buying a '13. Being one of the "older generation" the OP spoke of I knew I would not be happy with some of the new technology. It will probably be better, but it just ain't for me. I'm not part of the 'target comsumer group" anymore, and that's OK. It's the younger generation of buyers Ford needs to attract, and that's the way it should be.

So, I guess I'll be in a new generation Ford when they pry my cold dead hands from the steering wheel of my '13.;)

I'm part of that younger generation, and I agree with you fully. :thumbsup: just saying.

Some of these new ideas makes me want a 250 again.

you'll hear that a lot lol.

when 2015's finally get old enough for me to drive them, it looks like I might be getting an SD. a lot of people are thinking that way, especially those who buy their trucks new.

but, this scares me....we have SDs to turn to for now, if F-150s turn out just too car-like in the future, but....stuff like this started out in small cars (where it belongs in my personal opinion), and has worked it's way up to half-ton pickups....

I'm just horrified at the thought that with this in mind, it might be only a matter of time before it even progresses to SDs.

How many pickup owners ACTUALLY use their pickup as a pickup? Not very many. As said before, it's more of a status symbol now but with fuel prices going up, sales are taking a bit of a hit. Those that need light duty or an exterior box can buy the F150 and anyone who actually uses a pickup to do heavy duty pickup duties can buy a SD. Not saying an F150 will become a car, it will just give some of it's sales to the SD but also gain sales from people who don't need SD or current F150 capabilities.

Just my $.02

you got that one right :yes:. I don't think very many truck owners really use their trucks as trucks. it does come in handy, that's a bonus, but hell, guess what my reason to buy a truck is? answer: I like trucks. probably most people's reason too....

so the advancements in fuel economy and such, I like....

but I am seeing, in my eyes, half-tons somewhat turn into cars with boxes, granted that's my opinion, not at all fact....

I think it is pretty much certain that SD sales will rise with the release of the 13th gen...you got your point on sales right, but at the same time, It's pretty certain that many people that don't need an SD will buy one if they can afford it, because, personal opinion as it might be, there are a lot of buyers who will see the F-150 as rather car-like if some of the information available now is actually true....just my own 2 cents...

Makes sense to me Jacob. Who said that there college edgamacation wasn't gonna work on you.......;)

this.

I think its important for everyone to keep in mind that a lot these new fangled gadgets will be options people that want them will have to pay a premium for while people who don't want them will be able to forgo them if they don't want them. Just like the fancy navigation, heated cooled seats, HID headlights etc etc etc. none of that stuff has been forced on anyone. There is going to be options to suit most everyone.
So lets calm down a bit about the "apocalypse of the F150 as we know it" talk

But where's the fun in that?

A lot if them have to be standard to meet cafe standards.

I understand that but I dont think its going to be as bad as people think. A lot of people are bitching about trucks becoming too much like cars with all of the gadgets....but thats how its been shaping up for years and there are still bare bones "work trucks" available.
People act like they are trying to turn the F150 into an El Camino or something.

I understand its still a truck and there are still going to be xl and xlt models. But if it is an item to keep mpgs up then even a base model will get it. When those parts go out I am sure it will throw a code. Where my simple xl f150 now is just add gas and go. It has power options but no cylinder shut down or grill louver system to fail. I know I sound like a guy preaching carbs to an efi crowd but i don't mind my low mpg truck. Just give me a 100% ethanol then all the mpg problems are solved. It's us grown and made plus there are less emissions.

I like aluminum tho. Bring those updates on.

Ethanol is a crock of BS just FYI. Less BTUs per gallon (i.e. less MPGs), costs are only offset because of gov't intervention and the US is set to produce more oil than Saudi Arabia in the coming years.

Sub'd

-Heated Steering wheel


How silly is that idea!

I'd actually like it. When you work in the cold all day, your hands are cold and the steering wheel stays cold for a very long time while everything else is warm. I could take it or leave it but should be a nice option.

I hope this is a joke...if not, try living in Alberta for January and February and tell me its silly. :thumbsup:

They have heated grips on snow mobiles. It catches on.

E85 is a poor govt example of it. Pure ethanol os basically alcohol. A very potent fuel source and all hone grown. Im just talking renewables here. Not saying it is better than gas.

E85 takes more BTUs to make then it provides.

I'd like to hear how ethanol is going to solve the mpg problems....

Its been -15 deg F where I live this winter and I work in it all day... and I still don't find myself hopping in my truck and thinking "man I wish my steering wheel was heated" But maybe having it in one of my trucks would change my mind. My wife's Subaru has heated seats and she loves it. But I hop in her car and turn them off...don't see the fuss about it.