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Old 12-28-2018, 05:28 PM
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wuestion maybe someone can help me with. That tire sticker had a max payload on it. Is it a real one or not? I ask because the dales manger of Joe Cotton ford said it has noting to do with the payload. I ordered a 250 king ranch from them to haul
a keystone cougar half ton . And now it looks like I will be over payload because I only have a 2029 payload and this is after I gave them them the book on the trailer and said I need a truck to haul this trailer legal . And it is a 10,000 lb. truck. I know it can pull it but it is payload over as hitch is 325 pin 1605 people 375.
Question is who make them put that yellow sticker on truck and why? I would like to have them look into why ford sale people are telling buyers that the sticker has nothing to do with payload.
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That is they max payload of your truck. You can't ever trust the dealer when it comes to towing ability. I picked the 250 because I was staying with a travel trailer. If I had chosen a 5th wheel, it would have been a 350.

Salesman will tell you whatever you want to hear to make the sale. Just peruse the towing section here. Many people purchase a 150 when they need something bigger.
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The problem is putting a 6.7 Diesel on an F-250... The weight of the engine takes up too much of your available payload. If youíre going Diesel then you need an F-350.

The sticker is specific to your truck and all the options you have on it, which take their share of available payload. If you go over payload you will not be safe and you will not be legal. Towing capacity is not the limiting factor, payload is.
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Who is the one making ford put that tire sticker on truck? I would like to write to them about how a dealer said that this sticker is not anything does not mean that is your payload . And that is the sales manger from Joe Cotton ford. . I am mad at them as they setup a truck and it was to be able to tow a 5er with a pin weigh of 1605 on a fifth wheel and after it arrived I find out I only have 2029 pay load. We need to start simethjng to get these sales people to stop making unsafe towing. Ford shoul have to pay but they make every dealer a independent contractor so they are out of the loop.
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The problem is putting a 6.7 Diesel on an F-250... The weight of the engine takes up too much of your available payload. If youíre going Diesel then you need an F-350.

The sticker is specific to your truck and all the options you have on it, which take their share of available payload. If you go over payload you will not be safe and you will not be legal. Towing capacity is not the limiting factor, payload is.
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Right, it has nothing to do with Ford, and everything to do with the Sale Manager from the dealership you dealt with either being a liar or uneducated.

Your math appears correct. 2,029 - 325 - 1605 - 375 = 276 pounds over payload. I would immediately contact the GM of the dealership and educate yourself in the Towing section of the forum. https://www.f150forum.com/f82/. I'd also visit a CAT scale with the full people and trailer load, and weigh the vehicle, getting a front axle weight, a rear axle weight, trailer weight. Ideally you'd also unhook the trailer and weigh the truck with the people in it separate. Make sure the gas tank is full at time of weighing.

You will then be able to demonstrate that you're over payload. You will also be able to find the weight your putting on your rear axle, and can compare that to it's capacity, which is also on a sticker on the door jamb.
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Who is the one making ford put that tire sticker on truck? I would like to write to them about how a dealer said that this sticker is not anything does not mean that is your payload . And that is the sales manger from Joe Cotton ford. . I am mad at them as they setup a truck and it was to be able to t ow a 5er with a pin weigh of 1605 on a fifth wheel and after it arrived I find out I only have 2029 pay load. We need to start simethjng to get these sales people to stop making unsafe towing. Ford shoul have to pay but they make every dealer a independent contractor so they are out of the loop.


Ford puts it there so that you, the vehicle owner/driver can know what your payload is, what your axle weight rates are, the recommended PSI for your tires and operate the vehicle safely and legally.

If you are not pleased with what your dealership told you and how they mislead you, say so in the survey Ford will send you. You can also file a complaint with the BBB.
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To break down the original post and put my spin on it:

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....That tire sticker had a max payload on it. Is it a real one or not? ....
Yes, it's real...to a point. The REAL available payload is 10,000 minus the actual weight of the loaded truck at any given time. Add some gear, floormats, a tonneau cover, etc, that will cut down on available payload.

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.....I ask because the dales manger of Joe Cotton ford said it has noting to do with the payload. ....
​​​Salesmen are notorious for not knowing anything about what they're talking about. Very seldom do they actually know about mechanical or technical details beyond syncing a bluetooth device and how many beloved cup holders one car needs. (Your new truck likely has a drink and a spitter holder for both front occupants )

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....I ordered a 250 king ranch from them to haul a keystone cougar half ton . And now it looks like I will be over payload because I only have a 2029 payload and this is after I gave them them the book on the trailer and said I need a truck to haul this trailer legal . And it is a 10,000 lb. truck. ....
To be brutally honest, you didn't do your homework. 15k+ of towing ability looks good on paper; however, it seems other numbers (payload, GVW, pin weight) were not factored in the purchase.

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....Question is who make them put that yellow sticker on truck and why? .....
Who: The US Government
Why: To keep people safe on the road and within the mechanical ability of the tow vehicle.

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..... I would like to have them look into why ford sale people are telling buyers that the sticker has nothing to do with payload.
Honestly, you're not gonna get an answer. A question that is just as fair to ask is "Why was my trailer advertised as a half-ton towable?"

The dirty truth is Ford ​​​​​​is there to sell a vehicle and Keystone is there to sell a trailer. You are the consumer purchasing 2 separate products. And, as a consumer, it's up to you to properly match the truck and trailer properly.

My question would be, did you only notice the payload sticker after the fact or was it ever considered prior to the purchase. When I bought my truck (used, 200 miles from home) I had the salesman take pictures of the door stickers before inquiring about anymore details on the vehicle.
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This happens a lot. The only answer as to why is both the truck and trailer dealer personnel are often very uneducated about the products they sell. When I bought my dually I bought from a dealer who sells mostly super duty trucks to the farm, horse and heavy industrial sectors. It's not just because their deal was better and it was, it's because they took the time to see what I was looking to pull when I purchased a trailer the following year(two 50-60k items in one year wasn't in the budget). The family owns a large trailer dealer too and we scoped out trailers of various makes before selecting trucks to look at. They steered me away from a SRW which I wanted, but which would end up overloaded very quickly. They steered me away too from too much truck.

They did try to upsell me on options, but hey its their job. They did acknowledge limiting options gained payloads, but limited trucks available on the grounds to look at. In the end I chose my truck well, and ended up with 5800lbs of payload. Enough to easily handle my 20k trailer and family with room to spare.

Choosing the right dealer is as important as choosing the truck. Both my trailer and truck dealers(did not end up at the same place to buy the trailer a year later) spend time and money training their people. First question my trailer dealer salesman asked when my wife fell in love with the trailer was, what truck do you have and what is the payload. Then he went out and looked at it. He came back and said finally a guy who knows how to option a truck for work!

I knew what I needed when I started looking, but it was very comforting to deal with a dealer on both items that was looking to sell items, but not at the expense of safety or comfort later. Both places are very well respected in the horse industry and have loyal followings.

check out Coughlin Ford and Leonard Trailer Sales.

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When buying I went in work keystone paper work with all the weights and gave them to the sales man also told the sales manger that the pin weight was 1605 and loaded weight was 10400 and he set it up to handle that trailer. Problem being sales manager only thinks tow not payload. He he seems to think that the 1605 pin is not real weight on truck payload , he thinks it is less and figered in the two weight of the truck which is 14700. I have just talk to him yesterday and he said these thing to me. I fell they should thank this truck and exchange it for a F350, which I know they wonít do something like this.

QUOTE=clarkbre;6033486]To break down the original post and put my spin on it:


Yes, it's real...to a point. The REAL available payload is 10,000 minus the actual weight of the loaded truck at any given time. Add some gear, floormats, a tonneau cover, etc, that will cut down on available payload.


​​​Salesmen are notorious for not knowing anything about what they're talking about. Very seldom do they actually know about mechanical or technical details beyond syncing a bluetooth device and how many beloved cup holders one car needs. (Your new truck likely has a drink and a spitter holder for both front occupants )


To be brutally honest, you didn't do your homework. 15k+ of towing ability looks good on paper; however, it seems other numbers (payload, GVW, pin weight) were not factored in the purchase.


Who: The US Government
Why: To keep people safe on the road and within the mechanical ability of the tow vehicle.


Honestly, you're not gonna get an answer. A question that is just as fair to ask is "Why was my trailer advertised as a half-ton towable?"

The dirty truth is Ford ​​​​​​is there to sell a vehicle and Keystone is there to sell a trailer. You are the consumer purchasing 2 separate products. And, as a consumer, it's up to you to properly match the truck and trailer properly.

My question would be, did you only notice the payload sticker after the fact or was it ever considered prior to the purchase. When I bought my truck (used, 200 miles from home) I had the salesman take pictures of the door stickers before inquiring about anymore details on the vehicle.
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Originally Posted by glendar10 View Post
When buying I went in work keystone paper work with all the weights and gave them to the sales man also told the sales manger that the pin weight was 1605 and loaded weight was 10400 and he set it up to handle that trailer. Problem being sales manager only thinks tow not payload. He he seems to think that the 1605 pin is not real weight on truck payload , he thinks it is less and figered in the two weight of the truck which is 14700. I have just talk to him yesterday and he said these thing to me. I fell they should thank this truck and exchange it for a F350, which I know they wonít do something like this.
None of that matters now. What matters is you getting true weights to show them the issue as I explained. You can complain all you want, but you have no proof of the issue. A CAT scale will give you proof. You'll then be able to go to the dealership's General Manager with facts and force him to make it right (return truck), or you take further steps (lawyer, consumer TV reporter).

You also need to make sure that when you send them anything in writing, you take a minute and proofread what you send, it takes away from credibility when so many words are misspelled.
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