Great news for people who have 21s ordered
 

They will convert them to 2022's, and you will receive an ADDITIONAL $3500 rebate (on top of the $1000) that will stack with current rebates, OR you can opt for 0% for 72 months with the $1000 retail order cash.

The caveat will be that your dealer MUST have your order entered into the COVP program.

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Great. I canceled the 2021 I ordered because I wasn’t happy with my dealer and lack of info from him, and I reordered a 2022 from a different dealer. Lol can’t win

What is the COVP program? Is this nationwide?

That totally sucks!

Customer Order Verification Program. Your dealer would be really dumb to not be using it, but anything is possible. Yes, it is nationwide.

I had "locked in" the previous 0% + $1000 bonus cash offer on my 21 order and was worried I'd lose it if I convert to a 22. So it's nice to know I basically would get at least the same offer, or better. Need to do the math to see which would benefit me more...

So if I'm understanding this right that basically means $4500 off, plus any other rebates that are valid at delivery? Such as military, farm bureau, etc? Or is that different? What I can and cant stack confuses me.

You can't combine the extra $3500 with X/D/A Plans.

I figured that much, but I'm not using those plans. Just not sure if it can combine with the other public offers?

So how will this work? Place a '22 order using the same order number when the Order Book opens? As of last Thursday, my Dealer said the Order Book hadn't opened yet.

People getting end of model 2021's in late October/November should be ones get $3500 rebate!

I might have to talk with some one at Ford marketing about this. I’m a loyal Ford guy but I might have to buy a Toyota . Terrible lack of communication from the dealer and not hearing anything from Ford is what caused this.
Forgive me for venting

I have a Private Cash Offer of $2,500 it has the following clause" May not combine with other private or commercial offers, conquest cash, owner loyalty and lease renewal programs. A/Z/D Plan ineligible. "
So I will increase my discount from ($1,000 + $2,500) $3,500 to ($1,000 + $3,500) $4,500. Still another thousand off is good and get to keep my line in build.

Order Books have been open since late September 30. My Dealer placed a duplicate order of my 2021 order for a 2022. Yes he used the same order number that was on my 2021 order per Ford's instructions. Got a copy of 2022 order from him the next morning October 1. Supposed to keep your place in build line up.

Yes, this is a great thing for those who are 2021 orders that didn't get scheduled. This is a great gesture by Ford here to appease 2021 order holders.

If your order was COVP'd correctly your PCO is good at any dealership so you don't necessarily have to reorder from the same dealer.

Unfortunately it doesn't help "appease" this 2021 order holder, since I'm an A-plan person.For us there there is no extra incentive.

But why would people who qualify with plans be kept from retail offers? That's like saying, "Your employee discount is good only against full MSRP, you dont get the sale price." It seems the incentive is based on waiting and model year change. I got a great deal on a 2015 Lariat 502A with a plan when those were delayed- $6000 off years back after all discounts were added up.

That's pretty common. My employee discount with my employer is 30% off the store and sale items are not eligible.

The why in this case, I'd say, is because A/Z plan is so good. I'd rather take Z plan than whatever I can negotiate +3500 PCO (which is an insanely high PCO). Now, if I was buying from someone like Granger vs local and I was getting under invoice, stacked with a big PCO, that would be awesome, hopefully some of you guys can do that

How about us guys that have been waiting for almost 6 months or longer for a truck! What do we get? A kick in the ass?!?

Great deal for those getting orders converted. As for the A-Plan stuff, some rebates do stack with A-Plan, but I certainly wouldn't be complaining about not qualifying for this rebate on top of A-Plan, you are already getting the lowest cost vehicle possible, lower than dealer cost. Plenty would love to get A-Plan pricing, especially right now.

Would this work if your truck was on a derailed train?

I'm assuming this replaces all previous incentives from the '21 order date? I ordered in September, so I had 0% for 72 Mo + 1k bonus cash, standalone additional 1k bonus cash, 2k private offer.... Ie 0% for 72 + 4k

Switching to 0% + 1k or even the current 1.9% + 1k ( 1.9 + $4,500) would still be a worse deal. AND the build went up $2k with the model year swap...

Would the extra $3500 and $1000 be on top of whatever price we had negotiated through our dealers or is this meant to replace the incentives at time of order we were getting for our 21's?

Anthony, As usual thanks for sharing this news - always appreciated. I'm going to reach out to Chapmans in PA. They already said my 2021 in COVP (they sent me a screen shot) would not be pulled for scheduling and reordered the same build as a 2022 on Oct 1st with the same order number. Minor price difference of $565.

I'm surprised your King Ranch build went up $2K for 2022. Mine only went up $565. Base price went up $215, but lockable rear seat storage is now a standard feature, which was a $215 option in 2021 - so that's a wash. BlueCruise went up $400, 601A Pkg went up $135, and Interior Work Surface went up $30.

Actually looks like 2k was a but over (looked at it too fast) $1,585 MSRP increase ($79,085 --> $80,650 pre-discount). Invoice went up about $1,450 as well.

Big one for me beyond what you mentioned was adaptive steering not being standard as it was in '21, that was a $1k adder.

Yes, this is stackable with current incentives.
Order banks opened on 9/30. Yes, they'll just need to copy the order.
You won't be able to stack private offers, which is typical.
D plan is always excluded from private offers, so nothing new there, but we can get 0%. Our price is far below invoice, so it is still a good deal.
Yes, this is just an extra private offer.

I am still being told by my dealer that the '22 Order Bank is not open. Why would they be telling me that if it weren't true? How could they not know it? I'm in Nashville, so it's not like I'm in Canada.

That explains it - Adaptive Steering. I already had it as an option o​​​​​n my 2021 order because it seems it was dropped as a standard feature on Job 2 of both the King Ranch and the Platinum. If I didn't have it already as an option, my increase would have been $1565, right in line with you.

But Toyota had problems too and would jerk you about as well methinks.

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If my order gets converted to a 22 would I be able to finally change the gear ration even though the VIN is created?

so glad one can exclude adaptive steering from the build, superdutys with AS are not being produced at all now, looks like F150s might be undergoing component shortages too.

Model Year is tied to VIN, so I would think you would have to be assigned a new one. But if you already have a VIN I would assume you're going to get a 21.

I mean my VIN was created 3+ Months ago with no movement. Can’t see how it would be a big deal to change it

Go figure! I added it as an after-thought option because some 2021 F-150 scheduling notes posted on another forum indicated they were only building KR and Platinums that had it as an option. It's just like trying to time the real estate or stock market - Can't win for losing! I would certainly drop it if it becomes a constraint issue.

Anthony, Meant to ask earlier. Is this something I might receive in the mail because COVP reflects our mailing address or is it something my dealer might be able to pull up in Smart Vincent since the offer doesn't appear to have a customer unique code (#38276)? Thanks!

I can 100% assure you that it is open.
This is an internal document, but you should receive an email, probably the first week of November.

Thanks - have a great day!

November? The ad says the MYCO is good until November 1st.

Because you already have to have your order in the banks. The '21 button will be deleted from our banks on Nov 1.

Now I wish I would have ordered a 2021 back in September. If Ford would offer 0% for 72 months financing on delivery of an ordered 2022, I would order a 2022 today.

Doug

They might.

I wouldn't bank on it, but, there's no telling what the deals will be when 2022's start being delivered.

I've been reading the comments on this thread and want to get an idea of what to do....... I ordered my 21 Platinum Hybrid on 9/1/21. As of yesterday, it is showing as 'unscheduled/clean'. No VIN, no commitment, no nothing. I ordered with XPlan pricing and had a $2000 PCO plus $750 plus 0%/72. I specifically asked the dealer about ordering a '22 and got a' deer in the headlights' look. Should I insist on doing a reorder, '22 with the same order number? Or wait and let the dealer/Ford come to me with a plan? I'd like to see the online order tool tell me what the price will be on a '22, but, it's not been loaded. Anxious but my '18 is a good ride, for now, I can wait for the 2022 if I need to.

Private Cash Offers almost never stacks on any of Ford's Plan. If you read the fine print below the PCO it will state this. Need to let Ford cancel the 2021 unscheduled order which MAY happen as soon as Monday. A new order for a 2022 using the same order number that was used on the 2021 order needs to be used. There is no on line price/build available for 2022 F150's yet use the 2021 on Ford's site. Price hasn't changed much, three colors have been dropped for 2022 (Guard, Kodiak Brown and Velocity Blue) and added Atlas Blue. Lockable under backseat storage has been made standard on several models. Black Appearance Package for several models have been added for 2022 and that is it. No major change for new model year. I would download the 2022 order Guide PDF that is available in the 2022 order guide thread. Hope this helps.

Just converted My '21 order over to a '22! Added the 7.2 Pro Power and the Black Appearance package. For 2 weeks my dealer kept telling me the new Order Bank was not open. Today I walked in and told the salesman I spoke directly with Ford Support and was told the Bank had been open since late Sept. and I wanted to place the new order. Also go the Priority moved up from 19 to 10. Now it's a waiting game.

Can I order a 2021 today and than use this to convert to a 2022 before Nov 1st?

I'm pretty sure the last day to order a 2021 was Sep 30. The 2022 Order Banks opened that same afternoon/evening or the next day on Oct 1.

I'm very interested to see what happens to mine. Order was placed on 9/18, I just contacted my dealer asking if they used the COVP and they do. If mine does get converted to a MY22 from MY21, does the order stay exactly the same to receive this incentive? Or would I be able to add/change some of the options? Thanks for the information!

I’m in the same boat - curious to hear what they told you

My Experience with my dealer was he has to enter a new order for a 2022 truck using the same order number as was on the 2021 order. He changed the fuel tank on new order to the 36 gallon optional one on new 2022 order. I didn't originally order the 36 gallon because I really feel over $400 MSRP for it is overpriced but all my previous truck has it because previously I ordered max tow option and it is part of the package. Knew all along I would regret not having it. Changing options should not be a problem because it is a new order. I would check ASAP because Ford is supposed to start scheduling 2022 trucks October 15, 2021 just a few days away.

I did ask my dealer about it and how it would affect my order, if I would need to submit a new order for 2022, he said they haven't heard anything and questioned what I saw. I sent him the image that was originally shared and he responded back with "I'm actually unsure about those but I do know that they are private offers which means Ford Motor Company would have to select you to receive it and not everyone will get it." so I'm just in a waiting pattern now it seems. Have a work trip coming up overseas, so hopefully nothing will need to get signed!

Good question. I know my 2022 re-order through Chapman Ford of Horsham PA was basically like the 2021 order. For my King Ranch, one option became a standard feature (lockable folding rear seat storage). Base price went up by the option price of $215, so that was a wash. Some other options went up in price for a total increase of $565 on the MSRP. However, like Granger, Chapman sells at 3% under invoice so the actual increase was less.

are you suggesting that entering a 2022 order must be done using a 2021 order number is key to getting that PCO?

i noticed that on my 2021 and 2022 build sheets the “order code” is actually different but the sales code is the same.

Anthony, do you know if these codes on our build sheets have any impact on PCOs?

ralph, can you check if your order code and sales code on build sheet were the same from 2021 to 2022

And you just waited for your dealer to reach out to you to change it from the MY21 to MY22? I feel like I'll have to pressure my dealer into doing it.

I also just like getting onto an internet forum and saying my dealer....

Here's the almost instantaneous email response I reveived that day from Tom, the owner/operator:

"Hey Ralph…u were approved for COVP on 9/22…we are waiting to see what Ford is doing with the PCO offers…but what Zach said is accurate."

He also included a screenshot of my COVP. These guys are great - When was the last time an owner of a car dealership even gave you the time of day! I can't believe I was even messing with some of our local dealers, especially the one charging a $5K mark-up on in-stock vehicles.

Yes, they used the same order code and priority from the 2021 order for the 2022. The sales code is their unique six-digit code for their dealership - F (I assume for Ford) and five numbers.

Kinda, sorta - I reached out to them on Sep 30 to check the status knowing the 2022 Order Banks were supposed to open that day. They responded the next day to say my 2021 order did not get pulled for scheduling and they had already prepared a 2022 order with the same specs at the revised pricing. Asked for my review to ensure everything was correct, although I think they had already submitted it - which was fine with me!

Did you get to keep the incentives from your original order or did it reset with the new date?

I was told like many others about being able to chose what was offered at time of ordering or at delivery. It's my understanding it should all be in Smart Vincent, to include any PCOs. What I'm hoping for is the $3500 PCO for my unscheduled 2021 order and $1000 Retail Custom Order Bonus Cash. Of course, I wouldn't argue if they also accepted my $500 Military Appreciation Certificate, but I hear that might not be stackable. Combining all that with 3% under invoice pricing would make me a very happy person!

I'm pretty certain that's the point.

The shortage means there are no left-over "old" model years available, and Ford are already behind. They need to move production over to '22MY and there's no way it would be viable to keep making the backlog of '21MY spec trucks, i actually think this offer is a pretty good one all things considered.

So is it safe to say that if my MY21 hasn't been pulled for scheduling yet, it won't be? It seems like I'm the one reaching out to them about all this stuff with the information I'm receiving from y'all.

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2022 Ford F150

• (53C) (C1CAP) Max Trailer Tow – 8-10 weeks additional delay

People getting bumped to 22's are getting the deal. My point is is people getting an end of model year '21 in Nov/Dec with no discounts are paying full price basically for year of depreciation already.
I think anything built after mid October should be a '22 or get rebate added if labeled '21.

Just got word today that my 21 order was converted to a 22. Still no response from my dealer on 0% or 3500 rebate.

Happy to see i have no additional delays, but im sure I wil​l
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This if for trucks that are so delayed that they're not yet built, i'm assuming anyone getting a truck in nov/dec are already being or have been built?

Did that word come from Ford or from your dealer? Wondering how much I should press my dealer without becoming annoying. Probably already annoying...

Well I ordered in June have a VIN and it's not built yet......I'd be fine with getting bumped to '22!!

Can't really say. To be honest, I have earlier 2021 orders out there. Went to local dealer in early Aug. Only after I called Ford two weeks later did I find out they couldn't find the order. The dealer gave me a flimsy excuse that the order number was strictly internal and they submitted a repeat order. I reached out to them one time and they indicated it was Unscheduled-Clean. Reached out again a month ago - no response and have not heard anything since. Ordered another one with a different local dealer in early Sep. No feedback unless I ask them and even that is very sparse info. Last comms about 10 days ago was Unscheduled-Clean with comment there won't be any additional updates until Ford assigns a VIN. I took that to mean I shouldn't "bother" them anymore.

Sorry for the long-winded explanation, but that's why I strongly recommend folks deal long distance with the below invoice pricing offered by three dealers mentioned in the various F-150 forums. Now I'll get off my soapbox!!

Likewise. I'm the one doing all the contacting and asking my dealer things I learn about on here.
He did great answering all my truck questions and putting in my order, but now, I need '21-to-'22 answers.
I keep telling myself to be patient; the dealer will let me know all of these things...but will they really?

I placed an order for a 2021 Lariat 4x4 on 9/1/2021 and have yet to receive confirmation that Ford will build. So if my MY 2021 order is converted to a MY 2022 order, has Ford made any projections as to when a 2022 Lariat will be made?

I can answer the last part of this...there are no projections for when it will be made or when you will receive it, and if there are, they are subject to change.

I think optimistic projections may be Feb, but I'm telling myself March or April, and if it's any earlier, it'll be a surprise.
But, for real, who the hell knows? I just want my truck :)

Sounds like you should be in line for this then, i think it's up to you to make sure you dealer is using the COVP program and to give them a nudge about this.

Ordered July 26.
VIN in early August
Build date changed three times now.

I'd be ok with it being flipped to a 2022 with the rebate as I'm having trouble finding studded winter tires for it.

What is your new build date? It is my understanding that if you have a VIN, you’re getting a 2021.

2022 F150 dates
Initial orders accepted: 09/30/2021
Scheduling Begins: 10/14/2021
Production Begins: 12/06/2021

This assumption would be wrong. Ordered my truck late August, have a vin and a scheduled build date of October 25th. This conversation most likely pertains to those who don't even have a VIN yet and ordered close to the order cutoff date.

I would agree. Retooling for a new model year with very little changes won't take much, so the 2021MY will probably be produced until the end of November.

Hmm, so I wonder when dealers will be told or will know when the MY21 orders aren't going to be selected for build? I placed mine in late SEP, so interested in this for sure.

end of Oct. But I wouldn't be surprised if that changes again.

Fingers crossed for you that it doesn’t! In a week or so your window sticker should be available!

Dealers Learn Ford Cannot Fulfill Some 2021MY Orders
 

No surprise, for your reading pleasure:

https://fordauthority.com/2021/10/fo...l-year-orders/

Folks who haven't heard anything from their dealerships concerning their 2021 F-150 orders should hear something soon - however, I'm not sitting by the phone holding my breath!

Hey all,
Just wanted to get thoughts on my current situation. Ordered from Granger motors which I know a lot of others on here have as well back on July 20th is when it has order confirmed on the Form tracking website. Got a 21 Lariat, already have VIN. Build date was scheduled first week of October. Kept checking the website and all it said was order confirmed. Reached out last week and was told my new build date was not not until mid November.. So is my understanding correct in that I should be getting 0% financing over 72 months, or $3,500 cash back? I will reach out to make sure they are using the COVP but I am assuming they are. Also looks like from the above that since I have a VIN that it will be a 21 model and not get upgraded to a 22 model, however who knows at this point. Fine with 21 but yeah at this point if 22 models are coming out in March I should be getting some deal. Feel like I am annoying them but they haven't reached out to me at all outside of last week when I asked about why it wasn't in production only to find out it was delayed over a month. Just wanted to get your all thoughts on what you would do if anything, appreciate the help.

Thanks

I don't think you are eligible for it since you will have a scheduled 21. The offering is for those who have unscheduled 21s that are being forced to convert and will then have to wait even longer for a 22. Additionally, it's meant to cushion/offset the price increase since 22s are slightly more expensive.

That ^^^

Seems to be whether they can get the parts, so scheduled i believe would mean they have the parts to build the '21.

Awesome, thank you both

(I quoted wrong post)
By the way, Granger like Chapmans does use COVP - although like the others said, it appears you're getting a 2021 since you already have your VIN.

Yep got it. Only other question I would have is do you know when they are stopping production on 21 models? Have that build week of 11/15 which is back from what I was originally told of 10/4. Just curious as to when they would completely stop making 21 models to get an estimate of worst case that I should get the 21.

The last published dates from about 3 weeks ago that I saw for when the 2022's will start production are:
Dearborn - 11/15
Kansas City - 12/6

I think that's the same day they begin 2022 production at Dearborn. I read somewhere that since there are no major changes between model years, both 2021s and 2022s can roll down the assembly line at the same time. Seems a bit weird but I guess it makes sense 🤷 in a Ford way. 🤔

Interesting, that is what I am most curious as an 11/15 production date is running pretty close to that, with no real wiggle room so will be curious to see if they actually get it built by then or not.

Thanks for posting the program document.

Just to confirm, the "on top of the $1000" is the incentive to place the order, yes? There was a $1500 incentive for trades at the time I placed, does that still get stacked on as well? So 1000 for ordering + conversion $3500 = $4500. Or that $4500 + $1500 trade incentive = $6000?

That is absolutely not true. Once the 22's start up there will be no 21's built. The only time different model years are built at the same time are when early TT builds are done which is like 2 to 8 trucks a shift and they are integrated amongst the regular builds that day. For example 2022 TT's have been popping in for the last few months. They are followed down the lines by launch team members etc.

James

Has there been a set date for the MY22's to start rolling down the line? I think my dealer has my emails automatically sent to his junk mailbox these days....and you all have been a trove of information.

Which website do you use? I also saw production start-up of 12/6.

Glad I looked back through this. So if my current dealer did the COVP thing right, I'll receive an email from Ford with the deal as long as my information was placed in the COVP and I can just transfer that to a different dealer? I'm guessing the $500 downpayment on the MY21 F-150 would not be reimbursed by the current dealer? Thank you!

That's good - I was hoping it wasn't true. Wouldn't seem fair to the person receiving a 2021 and the truck in front of that one on the line is a 2022 as well as the one behind it! November 15th will be an interesting day at DTP.

Can't help you there. The trade rebate is regional, and the Houston region didn't have it.

I get you in the regional aspect. Wat was the $1000 you mentioned there, I suppose in your market. From your original "you will receive an ADDITIONAL $3500 rebate (on top of the $1000) that will stack with current rebates"...what is 'the $1000' ?
Is that a current incentive there or what they offered you guys at the time you were ordering '21's?
I guess I'm trying to figure out the stacking being referred to is at time of delivery or at time of order knowing if a better incentive exists in the future you obvioulsy can get that.