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For me the front trunk is a game changer. I am a landlord and therefore I do mostly property maintenance and need to be 'all the trades.' I really should be driving a van based on how much stuff I keep with me. Right now I run with a hard cover (diamondback) to protect my tools but I often leave tool boxes at home to leave space for whatever supplies I need to buy. This causes me to have a lot of duplicate tools as I get to the houses and find a problem a renter didn't tell me about and I don't have the right tool box. I end up running to the store to buy tolls I already have at home. With the front truck I can roll with a lot larger selection of tools and supplies. I can also run a soft cover or no cover on the bed making it a lot easier to haul bigger in the back. My houses are 10 miles away so the range is no issue. There is a really compelling use case for me. I don't know how size the market is for people that 'need more storage' then a traditional truck but don't want a van is.. But this solved that problem
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Yeah, that makes sense.
There are some compelling reasons that people will find to use this truck for. I guess the problem I have with it is that Ford is trying to make it sound like it's a gas-killer that can do everything the hybrid/fossil fuel full-sized pickup trucks can do and better. It's a truck for a niche market, better suited for the Ford Ranger market where people aren't towing and hauling big payloads.
It's awesome that it's going EV, but the hype is too high and just needs to be dialled back a tad
I will probably be really interested in the Mark II of the lightning, when they have 10 minute charge times and Bob's gas in some random town now has quick chargers.. The technology is being invented right now as I saw an article last year saying there has been a lithium breakthrough that allowed charging times almost as quick as gas.
EDIT: Ahh yes, here it is: https://www.theguardian.com/environm...charging-times
Image having an older technology EV that takes 4-8 hours to charge when there are 5-10 minute charge EVs now on the market. I wonder what that will do for the market price of the first-gen EVs? Hopefully, Ford has already planned a path for retrofit of new charging/batteries for older models. This technology is moving too quickly to double-down on an EV truck right now.
There are some compelling reasons that people will find to use this truck for. I guess the problem I have with it is that Ford is trying to make it sound like it's a gas-killer that can do everything the hybrid/fossil fuel full-sized pickup trucks can do and better. It's a truck for a niche market, better suited for the Ford Ranger market where people aren't towing and hauling big payloads.
It's awesome that it's going EV, but the hype is too high and just needs to be dialled back a tad
I will probably be really interested in the Mark II of the lightning, when they have 10 minute charge times and Bob's gas in some random town now has quick chargers.. The technology is being invented right now as I saw an article last year saying there has been a lithium breakthrough that allowed charging times almost as quick as gas.EDIT: Ahh yes, here it is: https://www.theguardian.com/environm...charging-times
“The number one barrier to the adoption of electric vehicles is no longer cost, it is range anxiety,” said Doron Myersdorf, CEO of StoreDot. “You’re either afraid that you’re going to get stuck on the highway or you’re going to need to sit in a charging station for two hours. But if the experience of the driver is exactly like fuelling [a petrol car], this whole anxiety goes away.”
“A five-minute charging lithium-ion battery was considered to be impossible,” he said. “But we are not releasing a lab prototype, we are releasing engineering samples from a mass production line. This demonstrates it is feasible and it’s commercially ready.”
“A five-minute charging lithium-ion battery was considered to be impossible,” he said. “But we are not releasing a lab prototype, we are releasing engineering samples from a mass production line. This demonstrates it is feasible and it’s commercially ready.”
Image having an older technology EV that takes 4-8 hours to charge when there are 5-10 minute charge EVs now on the market. I wonder what that will do for the market price of the first-gen EVs? Hopefully, Ford has already planned a path for retrofit of new charging/batteries for older models. This technology is moving too quickly to double-down on an EV truck right now.
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Since the the Lightning is about 1,500# heavier and the payload is projected to be 1,800 to 2,000#, it follows that the frame should be stronger.
If the steel is the strongest ever, it is a let down for conventional F150 owners to find their steel is weak. Ford needs to cover this up quickly.
If the steel is the strongest ever, it is a let down for conventional F150 owners to find their steel is weak. Ford needs to cover this up quickly.
Bloomberg says that the Lightning has a 1,300# battery pack. I'm assuming that Ford is removing that 5.0 V-8, 10 speed tranny, front and rear diffs, etc. I wonder what that weight adds up to compared to a couple of electric motors?
Anyway, I believe that extra weight, whatever it is, will be well compensated for by 563 horsepower and 775 pound-foot of torque, making it the most powerful F-150 ever.
Could it be that the Lightning needs that extra strength frame to handle that stock horrendous horsepower and torque? HP and torque not available on any stock ICE F150?
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The F-250 and F-350 have 1050 ft/lbs torque with the 6.7 Powerstroke, but they are also 9990# and 11500# vehicles with beefier frames.
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In the context of the article the Ford spokesman was commenting on the weight of the battery and the added protection of the battery and the electric drivetrain warranting the strongest steel ever. That guy is going to get some lashings from the sales department for the way he said it implying that other F150 steel is weak.
Actually, I don’t think the frame is subject to huge torque stress. Like two engine boats, opposing engine torque characteristics of double electric motors are substantially cancelled out.
Actually, I don’t think the frame is subject to huge torque stress. Like two engine boats, opposing engine torque characteristics of double electric motors are substantially cancelled out.
Also, steel is meant to bend and flex a bit. That's why they use steel for the frame over aluminum. If in an accident or the frame is bent, I think they'd pretty much have to scrap the frame if it was aluminum. But steel can be pulled back into alignment/shape by a bodyman. Typically, most aluminum will become brittle after it bends a few times. I'm sure they have some awesome alloys that combat this as we just have to look towards the aerospace industry.
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Yeah, that makes sense.
There are some compelling reasons that people will find to use this truck for. I guess the problem I have with it is that Ford is trying to make it sound like it's a gas-killer that can do everything the hybrid/fossil fuel full-sized pickup trucks can do and better. It's a truck for a niche market, better suited for the Ford Ranger market where people aren't towing and hauling big payloads.
It's awesome that it's going EV, but the hype is too high and just needs to be dialled back a tad I will probably be really interested in the Mark II of the lightning, when they have 10 minute charge times and Bob's gas in some random town now has quick chargers.. The technology is being invented right now as I saw an article last year saying there has been a lithium breakthrough that allowed charging times almost as quick as gas.
EDIT: Ahh yes, here it is: https://www.theguardian.com/environm...charging-times
Image having an older technology EV that takes 4-8 hours to charge when there are 5-10 minute charge EVs now on the market. I wonder what that will do for the market price of the first-gen EVs? Hopefully, Ford has already planned a path for retrofit of new charging/batteries for older models. This technology is moving too quickly to double-down on an EV truck right now.
There are some compelling reasons that people will find to use this truck for. I guess the problem I have with it is that Ford is trying to make it sound like it's a gas-killer that can do everything the hybrid/fossil fuel full-sized pickup trucks can do and better. It's a truck for a niche market, better suited for the Ford Ranger market where people aren't towing and hauling big payloads.
It's awesome that it's going EV, but the hype is too high and just needs to be dialled back a tad
I will probably be really interested in the Mark II of the lightning, when they have 10 minute charge times and Bob's gas in some random town now has quick chargers.. The technology is being invented right now as I saw an article last year saying there has been a lithium breakthrough that allowed charging times almost as quick as gas.EDIT: Ahh yes, here it is: https://www.theguardian.com/environm...charging-times
Image having an older technology EV that takes 4-8 hours to charge when there are 5-10 minute charge EVs now on the market. I wonder what that will do for the market price of the first-gen EVs? Hopefully, Ford has already planned a path for retrofit of new charging/batteries for older models. This technology is moving too quickly to double-down on an EV truck right now.
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