F150 Lightning
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From: Lost Wages
1) A truck is not really a truck unless it has an 8 foot bed.
2) A truck is not a truck unless it has a big V-8 under the hood.
3) A truck is not a truck unless it is made out of steel, not old aluminum beer cans.
Who are all these people buying these non-truck trucks with massaging seats? Oh, I know, they are called paying customers.
And those paying customers are willing to spend more for their trucks than the people that want to go back to 1,2,3 above.
So for the naysayers on here, give it up. Just like Ford can't build the Powerboost and the Mach E fast enough to satisfy demand, I expect the Lightning to have the same problem.
And your whining will not change the future of trucks, but the Lightning will.
2) A truck is not a truck unless it has a big V-8 under the hood.
3) A truck is not a truck unless it is made out of steel, not old aluminum beer cans.
Who are all these people buying these non-truck trucks with massaging seats? Oh, I know, they are called paying customers.
And those paying customers are willing to spend more for their trucks than the people that want to go back to 1,2,3 above.
So for the naysayers on here, give it up. Just like Ford can't build the Powerboost and the Mach E fast enough to satisfy demand, I expect the Lightning to have the same problem.
And your whining will not change the future of trucks, but the Lightning will.
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Good for many contractors
Just my penny to this $7 thread. I'm a contractor, and this truck is perfect for me in the Pacific NW.
I need a quiet vehicle to make calls, do paperwork, drive 60 miles a day to visit 3-4 jobsites, haul a variety of smaller tools so I can assist my crew or do specialized tasks, and pick up and deliver small things that were missed or forgotten in a delivery.
I have a couple employees, a couple vans they drive, and about $2mil of remodel and new construction work completed per year between the three of us. I live in the country but work in the city, and still I've not once driven over 150 miles in a work day in the past 10 years. As a contractor, I seldom tow or haul except small items, or a machine rental from 2 miles from the job site. Material delivery is always free. Why have a bigger truck just to work for free?
My colleagues all have essentially the same needs. Clearly, there are those who work for a living needing to tow and haul. And there are those who drive long distances. And there are those who live in colder environments, or where power comes from mostly coal. Or those who also use their work truck for towing the boat and family sometimes. A gas option is right for them. Why they are crying, feeling their way of life is being attacked, is beyond me. They'll probably be dead before ICE options go away.
I need a quiet vehicle to make calls, do paperwork, drive 60 miles a day to visit 3-4 jobsites, haul a variety of smaller tools so I can assist my crew or do specialized tasks, and pick up and deliver small things that were missed or forgotten in a delivery.
I have a couple employees, a couple vans they drive, and about $2mil of remodel and new construction work completed per year between the three of us. I live in the country but work in the city, and still I've not once driven over 150 miles in a work day in the past 10 years. As a contractor, I seldom tow or haul except small items, or a machine rental from 2 miles from the job site. Material delivery is always free. Why have a bigger truck just to work for free?
My colleagues all have essentially the same needs. Clearly, there are those who work for a living needing to tow and haul. And there are those who drive long distances. And there are those who live in colder environments, or where power comes from mostly coal. Or those who also use their work truck for towing the boat and family sometimes. A gas option is right for them. Why they are crying, feeling their way of life is being attacked, is beyond me. They'll probably be dead before ICE options go away.
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So how would you have worked in our "Snowaggeddon" back in 2019 here in Oregon? Many regions were without power for weeks. Most farmers, loggers, and many others had backup gas and diesel to weather the crisis for their combustion engine. You buy what you want, I don't want to "subsidize" your purchase though as if often the case with EV.
The "EV" grid does not really exist yet in rural America. Seems more like a product for "city" and "suburban" folks.
And lastly, if your using the existing power grid (coal, LG, or hydroelectric) to charge from, how is that "green"? You're just adding a level in between.
The "EV" grid does not really exist yet in rural America. Seems more like a product for "city" and "suburban" folks.
And lastly, if your using the existing power grid (coal, LG, or hydroelectric) to charge from, how is that "green"? You're just adding a level in between.
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So how would you have worked in our "Snowaggeddon" back in 2019 here in Oregon? Many regions were without power for weeks. Most farmers, loggers, and many others had backup gas and diesel to weather the crisis for their combustion engine. You buy what you want, I don't want to "subsidize" your purchase though as if often the case with EV.
The "EV" grid does not really exist yet in rural America. Seems more like a product for "city" and "suburban" folks.
And lastly, if your using the existing power grid (coal, LG, or hydroelectric) to charge from, how is that "green"? You're just adding a level in between.
The "EV" grid does not really exist yet in rural America. Seems more like a product for "city" and "suburban" folks.
And lastly, if your using the existing power grid (coal, LG, or hydroelectric) to charge from, how is that "green"? You're just adding a level in between.
The point keeps coming up about hydro electricity being non renewable or suggesting it isn't "green"...as a Canadian surrounded by hydro electric dams...maybe you could elaborate on this?
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From: Mesa AZ.
I will keep my FX4!
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So how would you have worked in our "Snowaggeddon" back in 2019 here in Oregon? Many regions were without power for weeks. Most farmers, loggers, and many others had backup gas and diesel to weather the crisis for their combustion engine. You buy what you want, I don't want to "subsidize" your purchase though as if often the case with EV.
The "EV" grid does not really exist yet in rural America. Seems more like a product for "city" and "suburban" folks.
And lastly, if your using the existing power grid (coal, LG, or hydroelectric) to charge from, how is that "green"? You're just adding a level in between.
The "EV" grid does not really exist yet in rural America. Seems more like a product for "city" and "suburban" folks.
And lastly, if your using the existing power grid (coal, LG, or hydroelectric) to charge from, how is that "green"? You're just adding a level in between.
I agree that EVs are best for people near cities who don't regularly drive long distances.
I didn't comment before about EVs being green. I buy vehicles for pretty selfish reasons. The lightning being a profit maker for my business compared to a gas truck. However, EVs are "green" by ultimately creating fewer emissions per mile than ICE, even when you include the big picture, factoring power generation, mining raw materials for the batteries, and everything else involved.
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Your comment reflects ignorance!
You are preaching to US truck owners who have only a fraction of the hydro power that is available in Canada, The US hydro sourced power is less than half of the small input by renewables, and its input is likely to diminish in the U S for ENVIRONMENTAL reasons. Its nearly insignificant in the mix. The actual impact of EVs is that 100% of their power input is derived from fossil fuels. There is no upside in the US for their use despite claims to the contrary. The EV advocates simply don’t understand power sources and carbon impacts because it doesn’t fit their agenda.
You are preaching to US truck owners who have only a fraction of the hydro power that is available in Canada, The US hydro sourced power is less than half of the small input by renewables, and its input is likely to diminish in the U S for ENVIRONMENTAL reasons. Its nearly insignificant in the mix. The actual impact of EVs is that 100% of their power input is derived from fossil fuels. There is no upside in the US for their use despite claims to the contrary. The EV advocates simply don’t understand power sources and carbon impacts because it doesn’t fit their agenda.
Ignorance is believing that hydro electric power is in some way comparable to burning coal for fk sakes...lmfao!!!
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From: Upstate NY
So basically what I'm gathering from this dick measuring contest is that while I like the F 150 lightning - what I REALLY need to prove my manhood is a Pete 389 with an aux tank and if I don't need that, I guess I'll just throw my kayaks and 40 cord of firewood I split in a prius and let er rip. Jokes on me I guess, I thought this was an F150 forum.
Another thing I'm seeing is that I guess if I don't burn coal, I'm not American enough to own a truck. Screw progress, am I right?
If you want gas, drive gas. If you want EV, drive EV. Its really that simple.
Get over yourself, and talk about the truck, not how star spangled awesome you are for driving 8 cylinders towing your doublewide down the interstate.
I too saw the note about the 300 mile range with 1000lbs in the bed - and if that translates to increased towing range this truck became even more feasible for all of the camping trips we do.
Another thing I'm seeing is that I guess if I don't burn coal, I'm not American enough to own a truck. Screw progress, am I right?
If you want gas, drive gas. If you want EV, drive EV. Its really that simple.
Get over yourself, and talk about the truck, not how star spangled awesome you are for driving 8 cylinders towing your doublewide down the interstate.
I too saw the note about the 300 mile range with 1000lbs in the bed - and if that translates to increased towing range this truck became even more feasible for all of the camping trips we do.
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From: Republic of Texas
So basically what I'm gathering from this dick measuring contest is that while I like the F 150 lightning - what I REALLY need to prove my manhood is a Pete 389 with an aux tank and if I don't need that, I guess I'll just throw my kayaks and 40 cord of firewood I split in a prius and let er rip. Jokes on me I guess, I thought this was an F150 forum.
Another thing I'm seeing is that I guess if I don't burn coal, I'm not American enough to own a truck. Screw progress, am I right?
If you want gas, drive gas. If you want EV, drive EV. Its really that simple.
Get over yourself, and talk about the truck, not how star spangled awesome you are for driving 8 cylinders towing your doublewide down the interstate.
I too saw the note about the 300 mile range with 1000lbs in the bed - and if that translates to increased towing range this truck became even more feasible for all of the camping trips we do.
Another thing I'm seeing is that I guess if I don't burn coal, I'm not American enough to own a truck. Screw progress, am I right?
If you want gas, drive gas. If you want EV, drive EV. Its really that simple.
Get over yourself, and talk about the truck, not how star spangled awesome you are for driving 8 cylinders towing your doublewide down the interstate.
I too saw the note about the 300 mile range with 1000lbs in the bed - and if that translates to increased towing range this truck became even more feasible for all of the camping trips we do.