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Old Sep 17, 2024 | 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulGrun
Do you know for sure what changing that Forscan parameter actually does? As far as I know, there is no publicly available documentation on it. There is, however, very good reason to suspect that it doesn't do what the conventional wisdom thinks it does, i.e. change the static SOC level at which the BMS maintains the battery. There is good reason to believe that this parameter is used by the BMS, for example, to decide when to run a de-sulfating cycle on the AGM battery. If that is true, it seems possible or likely that monkeying with that parameter may impact the longevity of the battery, but is very unlikely to change the observed SOC..
A few years ago there was a rash of reported battery problems, particularly with the Powerboosts. As far as I know, those in the consumer world who carefully experimented with that parameter, have reported that changing the parameter has NO apparent effect on the battery's SOC. It just doesn't seem to make a difference.
However, there is good reason to believe that Ford did indeed make a substantial change to the vehicle's charging strategy a year or so ago which seems to have greatly reduced the incidence of battery issues being reported on these forums.
Long story short - without having insight into the deep details of the engineering behind the BMS system (Ford engineers are not dummies and would not likely have overlooked something as simple as changing the Forscan parameter), and particularly without clear knowledge as to what the Forscan SOC parameter does, it seems either not useful or possibly damaging to monkey around with it.
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Yes, we know what it does. It changes the target charge. You are not recoding how the system works you are just telling it to target 95% vs the default 80%. The BMS is setup for gas mileage savings, nothing more. It’s also helpful since I have an H9 900 CCA.

Let me put it this way, after marking the change my 10amp smart charger takes 25 - 45 min to fully top off my rather large battery depending and how long it has been sitting. Before that change it would take 3 - 4 hours.

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Old Sep 17, 2024 | 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Djw.pro
Yes, we know what it does. It changes the target charge. You are not recoding how the system works you are just telling it to target 95% vs the default 80%. The BMS is setup for gas mileage savings, nothing more. It’s also helpful since I have an H9 900 CCA.

Let me put it this way, after marking the change my 10amp smart charger takes 25 - 45 min to fully top off my rather large battery depending and how long it has been sitting. Before that change it would take 3 - 4 hours.
If I may ask, how exactly do you know what that parameter controls? So far I’ve seen zero documentation that suggests it does what you think, but I have seen documentation indicating that it relates to the need to de-sulfate the battery periodically.
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Old Sep 17, 2024 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by HammaMan
Those are 2 12v 7.5ah AGMs wired in series to create a 24v transient buffer for the 2nd alternator that runs at 24v for powering the 2kW PPOB inverter your truck comes with.
Thank you. That's what I was looking for.
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Old Sep 17, 2024 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulGrun
If I may ask, how exactly do you know what that parameter controls? So far I’ve seen zero documentation that suggests it does what you think, but I have seen documentation indicating that it relates to the need to de-sulfate the battery periodically.
Cause and effect is my only evidence. All I can say is after making the change the state of charge is much higher. As mentioned, my smart charger has its own meter and it would take it significantly longer to charge my H9 to full capacity before making the change. Yes, there was a battery update to my truck and maybe they fixed some issues. Which is great. It seems pretty clear that if my charger takes 1/3 - 1/5 of the time to charge the battery to full after adjusting the percentage then it obviously charged the target.

Photo was taken from another thread. I do not monitor charge mode and voltage, etc. I did reset BMS of course. We also own a 2024 Frontier with its own version of a BMS system. Very similar story. My 10 amp charger takes nearly 3 hours to charge the smaller AGM to full in this truck.



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Old Sep 18, 2024 | 06:03 AM
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So with all this battery talk in state of charge I have a question. I was looking into getting the ForScan and doing some work. The more I looked into the batteries, it seems that the AGM batteries are only charged to 80% to increase life. I have read that changing this to 90 or 95% will degrade the batteries because of the charge memory.

Anybody heard anything about this or this bull****?
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Old Sep 18, 2024 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by FaaWrenchBndr
So with all this battery talk in state of charge I have a question. I was looking into getting the ForScan and doing some work. The more I looked into the batteries, it seems that the AGM batteries are only charged to 80% to increase life. I have read that changing this to 90 or 95% will degrade the batteries because of the charge memory.

Anybody heard anything about this or this bull****?

This is BS in my opinion. Now voltage does come into play for lead acid vs AGM. Overcharging a battery can also affect its longevity. When using my smart charger, which is set to AGM mode, I can see how the unit regulates amperage and voltage, especially towards the top end of the charge cycle where amps drops down to 2 to 3 versus being at 10 during the initial phase. Mine is a 10amp max.

Even this is somewhat debatable for overall longevity. I had a AGM battery and a older Tacoma, which was designed for a lead acid and even though the alternator would not technically go over 13.8 V, it kept the battery well charged and healthy state for quite a while and no issues with longevity until I sold the vehicle.

The 80% target is really set up for fuel savings. In other words, it’s turning off the alternator more often. Considering Ford has a pretty well-known issue with batteries going bad clearly they were not doing something too well. My battery lasted one week after purchased in my new truck and it was only on the dealers lot for a few months before I purchased it. They did replace the battery for me, but by the time it took them to diagnose it, I already replaced it myself. I now have a spare.
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Old Sep 19, 2024 | 08:55 AM
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Interesting, in my Powerboost I only have a single battery located under the back seat.

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Old Sep 21, 2024 | 09:41 AM
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My 2022 PB came with just one battery too. And when I fed up with factory batteries (deep sleep, etc.), first I replaced stock H7 with H8 (that's the biggest battery for F150, and that's what '21 diesel takes - not sure about H9 reference here), and then Forscan it to (eventually) 99%. That combination of changes helped immensely, however I kept monitoring the battery voltage when the truck is off and asleep with bluetooth monitor, and discovered that even the bigger battery does not hold the charge - voltage drops over time faster than it should.
So I decided that its the original aux battery that could be culprit, and I ordered 2(two) to replace one, because I knew diesel uses 2. However, for the love of Queen, I could not figure out how on earth Ford connected these 2 batteries in parallel, as the Ford parts diagram shows only one cable to connect 2 batteries. Are you telling me that your 2 batteries connected sequentially and the truck uses 24V Volts for electronics?
Is it possible that F150 with 2 battery setup from the factory have a completely different setup for aux battery?

Either way, in my case I had to improvise, and managed to connect 2 batteries in parallel, and guess what - my 12V measurements never been better - much slower voltage drop. Totally worth the hassle, esp. with the winter coming...
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Old Sep 21, 2024 | 11:19 AM
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It's no mystery that battery warranties began shrinking not long after the introduction of fuel saving charging strategies.
https://www.practical-sailor.com/blo...ew-agm-battery
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Old Sep 24, 2024 | 11:10 AM
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[QUOTE=HammaMan;7653098]Those are 2 12v 7.5ah AGMs wired in series to create a 24v transient buffer for the 2nd alternator that runs at 24v for powering the 2kW PPOB inverter your truck comes with.[

I have a 2022 XLT powerboost 302A with 7.2KW and only have one battery under back seat. Does anyone know why the difference? Tx
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