If we want to bench race, getting the 60ft down in the 1.7 range where it should be it would have ran a high 12.3 low 12.4 I believe.. I ran that pass in I think it was may? 85* and 75% humidity hot and sticky texas heat...
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Looking forward to see your progress with more seat time and upgrades. 11’s are definitely in your future. Very impressive. |
Thanks man! Its fun to hit up the track, make a few passes and visit with like minded car people. It will definately be the fastest 2.7 truck in the country. To this point to my knowledge a guy ran a 12.4x once but was never able to duplicate it. Another guy has ran mulitple 12.5x, he has similar mods to me except he is a super cab 4x4 with radials on all 4 corners.
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Originally Posted by Blackpony
(Post 5935321)
If we want to bench race, getting the 60ft down in the 1.7 range where it should be it would have ran a high 12.3 low 12.4 I believe.. I ran that pass in I think it was may? 85* and 75% humidity hot and sticky texas heat...
I'm in southeastern Louisiana btw, so you don't need to tell me about any humidity or heat lol. I have traction bars and 305/45/18 MT Street-R's for it now, so we'll see how this combo does. I'm going back this Sunday, and then again in November. |
Originally Posted by w00t692
(Post 5935607)
We're not bench racing. I'm saying, you'd be doing damn good to be in the 11's as that's where the new 10 speed 3.5's end up with intercooler, downpipe, tune and e30-e50 mix in crew cab trim. We're talking about an engine making another 50-70 rwhp so yeah you're doing just fine lol. Hell i sent my buddy a text and said just when i think the N/A 18 5.0 trucks are doing good another ecoboost impresses me.
I'm in southeastern Louisiana btw, so you don't need to tell me about any humidity or heat lol. I have traction bars and 305/45/18 MT Street-R's for it now, so we'll see how this combo does. I'm going back this Sunday, and then again in November. ooo **** man, yall got way worse humidity down there!! Haha I have a customer car I'm taking to the track Sunday for some shake down passes, if I get mine back before then I plan to run it as well. Will only be 1/8 mile, but getting the 60 figured out, the rest is just hanging on. |
Originally Posted by Blackpony
(Post 5935512)
Thanks man! Its fun to hit up the track, make a few passes and visit with like minded car people. It will definately be the fastest 2.7 truck in the country. To this point to my knowledge a guy ran a 12.4x once but was never able to duplicate it. Another guy has ran mulitple 12.5x, he has similar mods to me except he is a super cab 4x4 with radials on all 4 corners.
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Originally Posted by Bigcat1185
(Post 5935918)
That will be a great showcase of the 2.7 potential. I have a SuperCrew and am hoping to break into the 12's myself, but time will tell on that.
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Originally Posted by w00t692
(Post 5935920)
You can definitely do 12's, but it'll probably be something like 12.7-12.9 @ 104-106 mph.
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Well i went back and even without building boost off the line I managed a 12.42 @ 110.8 with a 1.87 60
I fixed the issue where it wouldn't build boost to launch with. I'm going back next weekend and hopefully will cut this time down to a 12.20 with something like a low 1.7 or high 1.6 60 ft. |
Originally Posted by w00t692
(Post 5941003)
Well i went back and even without building boost off the line I managed a 12.42 @ 110.8 with a 1.87 60
I fixed the issue where it wouldn't build boost to launch with. I'm going back next weekend and hopefully will cut this time down to a 12.20 with something like a low 1.7 or high 1.6 60 ft. Thanks |
I did check it and chose not to respond. Sorry.
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Originally Posted by w00t692
(Post 5941032)
I did check it and chose not to respond. Sorry.
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Originally Posted by w00t692
(Post 5941003)
Well i went back and even without building boost off the line I managed a 12.42 @ 110.8 with a 1.87 60
I fixed the issue where it wouldn't build boost to launch with. I'm going back next weekend and hopefully will cut this time down to a 12.20 with something like a low 1.7 or high 1.6 60 ft. |
If I can make a suggestion. Can you guys post the DA as well? To even the playing field |
It was about 1800 DA.
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Current Mod list too..
Originally Posted by 5.Bro
(Post 5941214)
If I can make a suggestion. Can you guys post the DA as well? To even the playing field An updated current mod list would be nice too. Pretty good times for that 3.5 eco.... |
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...8349d9d761.jpg
Here's the timeslip btw. Left lane. Right lane was a 6th gen camaro ss. |
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...20ed835c2.jpeg LTNBOLT 11.41@ 120 -2018 SingleCab 6.5’ 4WD 3.31 10spd- —Whipple Stage 2, Whipple tune, 4” exhaust, 20” wheels, Oz tune. |
Grats again LTNBOLT!! No more napping on the lights :)
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Time for e85. That alone will most likely put you in the 10's. That and the fuel system to support it i guess.
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https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...1b926b038.jpeg
Here you go, did another PB since the DA was about 100 ft positive for this pass instead of 1800ish lol. Right lane, same mods nothing has changed from before. 17 2wd screw tuned on e50 and an intercooler on a mickey thompson et street r |
I did a 1.65 60 and a 7.71 1/8 mi but either it decided to pull timing out up top or headwind screwed me but it was only a 12.33 somehow.
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Originally Posted by w00t692
(Post 5956196)
I did a 1.65 60 and a 7.71 1/8 mi but either it decided to pull timing out up top of headwind screwed me but it was only a 12.33 somehow.
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Originally Posted by w00t692
(Post 5956152)
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...1b926b038.jpeg
Here you go, did another PB since the DA was about 100 ft positive for this pass instead of 1800ish lol. Right lane, same mods nothing has changed from before. 17 2wd screw tuned on e50 and an intercooler on a mickey thompson et street r |
Originally Posted by w00t692
(Post 5956196)
I did a 1.65 60 and a 7.71 1/8 mi but either it decided to pull timing out up top or headwind screwed me but it was only a 12.33 somehow.
What was that about headwind? |
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...f7af242276.jpg
Originally Posted by isthatahemi
(Post 5957156)
That sounds like a typo.... My truck with 600=ft/lbs and a perfect launch never got in the 1.6's, and ran 7.7 multiple times...
What was that about headwind? |
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Left lane , last Friday night,
2018 F150 RCSB FX4 Tune Only https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...6e7150646f.jpg Test-N-Tune 19Oct2018 https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...4f4d95c83b.jpg Test-N-Tune 19Oct2018 |
Originally Posted by w00t692
(Post 5957210)
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...f7af242276.jpg
Plenty of ecoboosts doing 1.6 60's man i dunno what to tell ya. Pretty sure you were accelerating faster through the 1/8 than me despite a higher 60. |
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...61870aff4b.jpg
Year: 2018 Model: XLT Engine: 5.0 Cab: Supercrew Bed Length: 5.5’ 4WD Gears: 3.73 Transmission: 10 speed Weight: Unknown Mods: Whipple Stage 2 w/ stock whipple cal. Zero additional mods besides OPG's. 1/4 time: 12.641 MPH: 110.09 Pretty sure I could have sqeezed a bit more out of her but had to leave the track early. Only got a few runs in and each one was better than the last. Less than 500 miles on the truck :blush: |
Originally Posted by Syclone383
(Post 5959837)
Left lane , last Friday night,
2018 F150 RCSB FX4 Tune Only https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...6e7150646f.jpg Test-N-Tune 19Oct2018 https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...4f4d95c83b.jpg Test-N-Tune 19Oct2018 |
Originally Posted by isthatahemi
(Post 5962555)
What gears?
EDIT. Sorry Quoted wrong post, no idea what gear. |
I got to the rack the last night. 2017 XLT supercrew 4x4 5.0 with Whipple stage 1 with 3.62 pulley, Oz tuned. I have 3.55 gears, 6 speed, and VAS traction bars. stock everything else
Not sure how to upload pics, tried to attch my slip. If it doesnt show, 2.055 60ft, 12.687 at 111https://attachment.outlook.live.net/...animation=true |
Originally Posted by isthatahemi
(Post 5962555)
What gears?
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There it is. I was wondering how your truck was so damned fast for the limited mod list!
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Man it sounds like i need the get an intercooler and possibly a downpipe. Those are great times guys. I dont think i can get that low in a screw 3.5 fx4. |
Maybe not in a '16, the 10 speed is pretty slick.
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I have a 17. The 16 in my handle is my college baseball number. |
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...d9be418a6c.jpg
Year: 2018 Model: XL Engine: 3.5 Ecoboost Cab: Supercab Bed Length: 6.5’ 2WD/4WD: 4WD Gears: 3.31 Transmission: 10 speed Weight: 5000 even Mods: 5 star tune, exhaust 1/4 time: 12.1772 MPH: 111.75 |
Originally Posted by Paul Josephson
(Post 5971124)
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...d9be418a6c.jpg
Year: 2018 Model: XL Engine: 3.5 Ecoboost Cab: Supercab Bed Length: 6.5’ 2WD/4WD: 4WD Gears: 3.31 Transmission: 10 speed Weight: 5000 even Mods: 5 star tune, exhaust 1/4 time: 12.1772 MPH: 111.75 |
****, i need to install those 18 turbos on my truck like... yesterday.
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What fuel? |
Originally Posted by Paul Josephson
(Post 5971124)
Year: 2018
Model: XL Engine: 3.5 Ecoboost Cab: Supercab Bed Length: 6.5’ 2WD/4WD: 4WD Gears: 3.31 Transmission: 10 speed Weight: 5000 even Mods: 5 star tune, exhaust 1/4 time: 12.1772 MPH: 111.75 Mike |
Originally Posted by silcrew
(Post 5963119)
I got to the rack the last night. 2017 XLT supercrew 4x4 5.0 with Whipple stage 1 with 3.62 pulley, Oz tuned. I have 3.55 gears, 6 speed, and VAS traction bars. stock everything else
Not sure how to upload pics, tried to attch my slip. If it doesnt show, 2.055 60ft, 12.687 at 111https://attachment.outlook.live.net/...animation=true |
Originally Posted by Bigcat1185
(Post 5971570)
Bed length? Mike |
Wicked. List updated! Let me know if I missed anything.
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Originally Posted by engineermike
(Post 5971566)
What fuel? |
Originally Posted by Paul Josephson
(Post 5971124)
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...d9be418a6c.jpg
Year: 2018 Model: XL Engine: 3.5 Ecoboost Cab: Supercab Bed Length: 6.5’ 2WD/4WD: 4WD Gears: 3.31 Transmission: 10 speed Weight: 5000 even Mods: 5 star tune, exhaust 1/4 time: 12.1772 MPH: 111.75 |
Originally Posted by Bigcat1185
(Post 5972051)
That is quick for 3.31 gears. Compared to the 3.73, aren't they slower when it comes to acceleration?
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I'm interested to see if anyone has done any 1/4 mile testing on like for like trucks with the only difference being gear ratios on a 10-speed. Same weather conditions and track.
i know there is tons of debate on this but it would be nice to see a true comparison. |
The Ecoboost is faster with 3.15 and 3.31 than it is with 3.55's or 3.73's. There's not enough RPM's to drag out gears like you can on the 5.0. So longer gear ratios work better.
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Originally Posted by w00t692
(Post 5972382)
The Ecoboost is faster with 3.15 and 3.31 than it is with 3.55's or 3.73's. There's not enough RPM's to drag out gears like you can on the 5.0. So longer gear ratios work better.
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Originally Posted by Bigcat1185
(Post 5972406)
Is that only with the 10spd tranny ratios? |
Originally Posted by w00t692
(Post 5972519)
With the 6 speed 3.31 and 3.55 are the fastest ratios. So pretty much yeah.
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Originally Posted by Bigcat1185
(Post 5972567)
I don’t see how longer gears could be faster. Shorter gears not only accelerate quickly, but it keeps the RPM from dropping during shifts as well. |
Originally Posted by w00t692
(Post 5972826)
On the ecoboost the rpms drop right into massive amounts of peak torque, so that's irrelevant.
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Torque management is muddying all these waters. |
Originally Posted by Bigcat1185
(Post 5972863)
Interesting. I feel like my Ecoboost falls a bit to far before ramping back up to the power zone. |
Originally Posted by w00t692
(Post 5973244)
Are you running a 30" or less tire? If not then that's why lol.
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Originally Posted by Bigcat1185
(Post 5972863)
Interesting. I feel like my Ecoboost falls a bit to far before ramping back up to the power zone. |
Makes no sense to me, both of those tires sizes keep you in 5th gear before the traps so a larger tire should never be faster here. Especially when it's also a change to a heavier larger wheel to boot.
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I can check the logs. Might be that the higher load spooled up the turbos better from down low.
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The larger tire also has a larger contact patch, so increased grip could be a factor, especially if it was spinning on some of the gearshifts leading to torque management as mentioned.
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Originally Posted by BadCon
(Post 5973627)
The larger tire also has a larger contact patch, so increased grip could be a factor, especially if it was spinning on some of the gearshifts leading to torque management as mentioned.
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Have to spin the tires at least a little to get a good 60 foot as launching softer will bog the engine. Although both are 1.79 I could have been going faster through the 60 foot gates because of more traction with the wider tires. (Bog off the line a little, then get into boost hard with grip) and (spin more off the line while in boost but have less ultimate grip) can result in the same 60 foot times at different speeds at the end of the 60 foot. I bet this is the culprit.
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Have you looked at the logs? It's more likely that it just pulled timing out on the big end and slowed you down.
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We need to focus more on how Paul Josephson ran 12.1 with just a tune and exhaust. |
Originally Posted by Bigcat1185
(Post 5975041)
We need to focus more on how Paul Josephson ran 12.1 with just a tune and exhaust. |
Originally Posted by Bigcat1185
(Post 5975041)
We need to focus more on how Paul Josephson ran 12.1 with just a tune and exhaust. |
3 things get the gen2 making way more power than the gen1
1.) all 15-17 trucks have same size turbos, but the gen2 3.5 has dual injection so they've redesigned the cylinder heads correspondingly as they no longer need an odd reversion lip to clean the back of the intake valves and thus the headflow is superior 2.) the exhaust manifold is LIGHTYEARS better on the gen2 3.5 3.) harping on dual injection again, it gives you the fuel capacity you need to run the power it's actually capable of making. I'm making that power you see up there at 80-82 lambda, which is about as lean as i'd like to go with the smaller amount of Direct Injection blend i'm running |
By exhaust manifold, do you mean downpipes? |
The 5 star tunes gained 100 rwhp when they went from 93 to e50. |
Originally Posted by engineermike
(Post 5975361)
The 5 star tunes gained 100 rwhp when they went from 93 to e50. |
Originally Posted by Bigcat1185
(Post 5975363)
Do the people who run those fuel run them all the time? Or only for track use? |
Originally Posted by w00t692
(Post 5975372)
You think i'm gonna turn down an extra 100 whp for the price of 3.5 mpg? HELL NO. Worth it, don't care lol.
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Originally Posted by Bigcat1185
(Post 5975374)
Does it have any negative impact on the fuel system? I'm sure the life of the fuel pump being pushed to higher duty cycle will lower how long it lasts. The rest of the components i doubt it. |
Originally Posted by engineermike
(Post 5975361)
The 5 star tunes gained 100 rwhp when they went from 93 to e50. |
Originally Posted by DurantECOBOAST16
(Post 5975540)
so you are telling me that my 17 with 93 performance tune would make an extra 100rwhp with an E50 performance tune? |
Originally Posted by engineermike
(Post 5975556)
No, I’m not telling you that. I’m telling you what is on the 5star dyno graphs that are on their website. |
Originally Posted by DurantECOBOAST16
(Post 5975597)
okay. Im sure those gains are over stock numbers. |
Originally Posted by engineermike
(Post 5975650)
they are showing 445 rwhp on 93 and about 550 rwhp on e50. Another board member also posted a dyno run of ~525 on e50. |
The supercharged mustangs are picking up around 200 rwhp switching to e85 (with a small increase in boost as well), so I don’t doubt it. There’s a lot of power in ethanol. |
Originally Posted by DurantECOBOAST16
(Post 5975694)
Wow that is crazy. I had no idea that was possible. I figured maybe 20-40 hp. Does it not have enough direct injection to run 100% on the DI pump? Yes Relatively high volume of air going through motor? Yes All this adds up to large gains when switching to ethanol as you're capable of adding 8-10 degrees more timing than 93 octane and i also run another 1 to 1.5 lb of boost over my 93 tune |
Originally Posted by engineermike
(Post 5975707)
The supercharged mustangs are picking up around 200 rwhp switching to e85 (with a small increase in boost as well), so I don’t doubt it. There’s a lot of power in ethanol. Truck i saw picked up 200 whp but it was going from 10 psi to 15 psi AND from 93 to ethanol |
Dustin whipple has posted they could run 6 deg more timing on e85 and the result was 120 more rwhp with no change in boost. The custom tuned e85 guys are running 15-16 psi (vs 11-12) and making over 900 rwhp. |
20 horsepower per degree of ignition timing, seems about right when you're far far under MBT.
I picked up 35 whp from 1 degree of timing on a 1000 whp setup running E98. |
I’m completely ignorant when it comes to ethanol levels. My local Costco’s pumps say “contains 10% ethanol”. Does that mean it’s technically E10? |
Originally Posted by Bigcat1185
(Post 5975838)
I’m completely ignorant when it comes to ethanol levels. My local Costco’s pumps say “contains 10% ethanol”. Does that mean it’s technically E10? |
Will a good octane booster mix like boostane have a similar affect? |
Originally Posted by DurantECOBOAST16
(Post 5976328)
Will a good octane booster mix like boostane have a similar affect? |
I’ve played with boostane some, running as much as 12 oz in 16 gallons. Others have recommended running 16-32 oz to the 16 gallons. Even still, 12 was supposed to upgrade 93 to 99-100 octane. Looking at my logs, I observed a timing increase of 2-3 degrees while still not quite achieving max timing. E85 allows about 6 more degrees. Based on my data, it appears to work but I have my doubts about the accuracy of their mixing chart. |
I've seen similar with vp's octanium additive. It works. But not as well as they say.
If you're going to the track mix it into half as much fuel to get results you'd want. |
Originally Posted by w00t692
I've seen similar with vp's octanium additive. It works. But not as well as they say.
If you're going to the track mix it into half as much fuel to get results you'd want. |
Originally Posted by blue5.0
(Post 5977062)
Are there any benefits to these products if you're already running e85 or similar products for e85?
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Originally Posted by BadCon
No, these products are to improve the octane rating of pump gas. E85 already has a high octane, and the cooling properties are what makes it really special.
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I would buy a 5star E50 tune today if I had Ethonal fuel anywhere near me. |
Another personal best (by far). Left Lane there. Transmission tune and -600 DA did some magic haha.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...ab40ed1cb.jpeg |
That’s awesome! Remind me...are you on an e50 cal? |
Originally Posted by w00t692
(Post 5985998)
Another personal best (by far). Left Lane there. Transmission tune and -600 DA did some magic haha.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...ab40ed1cb.jpeg |
60 ft was not very good actually. It didn't want to do anything but bounce off the rear tire instead of holding it to the ground when launching.
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