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Blackpony 10-02-2018 05:36 PM

If we want to bench race, getting the 60ft down in the 1.7 range where it should be it would have ran a high 12.3 low 12.4 I believe.. I ran that pass in I think it was may? 85* and 75% humidity hot and sticky texas heat...

Bigcat1185 10-02-2018 06:00 PM

Looking forward to see your progress with more seat time and upgrades. 11’s are definitely in your future. Very impressive.

Blackpony 10-02-2018 08:59 PM

Thanks man! Its fun to hit up the track, make a few passes and visit with like minded car people. It will definately be the fastest 2.7 truck in the country. To this point to my knowledge a guy ran a 12.4x once but was never able to duplicate it. Another guy has ran mulitple 12.5x, he has similar mods to me except he is a super cab 4x4 with radials on all 4 corners.

w00t692 10-02-2018 10:07 PM


Originally Posted by Blackpony (Post 5935321)
If we want to bench race, getting the 60ft down in the 1.7 range where it should be it would have ran a high 12.3 low 12.4 I believe.. I ran that pass in I think it was may? 85* and 75% humidity hot and sticky texas heat...

We're not bench racing. I'm saying, you'd be doing damn good to be in the 11's as that's where the new 10 speed 3.5's end up with intercooler, downpipe, tune and e30-e50 mix in crew cab trim. We're talking about an engine making another 50-70 rwhp so yeah you're doing just fine lol. Hell i sent my buddy a text and said just when i think the N/A 18 5.0 trucks are doing good another ecoboost impresses me.

I'm in southeastern Louisiana btw, so you don't need to tell me about any humidity or heat lol.

I have traction bars and 305/45/18 MT Street-R's for it now, so we'll see how this combo does. I'm going back this Sunday, and then again in November.

Blackpony 10-03-2018 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by w00t692 (Post 5935607)
We're not bench racing. I'm saying, you'd be doing damn good to be in the 11's as that's where the new 10 speed 3.5's end up with intercooler, downpipe, tune and e30-e50 mix in crew cab trim. We're talking about an engine making another 50-70 rwhp so yeah you're doing just fine lol. Hell i sent my buddy a text and said just when i think the N/A 18 5.0 trucks are doing good another ecoboost impresses me.

I'm in southeastern Louisiana btw, so you don't need to tell me about any humidity or heat lol.

I have traction bars and 305/45/18 MT Street-R's for it now, so we'll see how this combo does. I'm going back this Sunday, and then again in November.


ooo **** man, yall got way worse humidity down there!! Haha I have a customer car I'm taking to the track Sunday for some shake down passes, if I get mine back before then I plan to run it as well. Will only be 1/8 mile, but getting the 60 figured out, the rest is just hanging on.

Bigcat1185 10-03-2018 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by Blackpony (Post 5935512)
Thanks man! Its fun to hit up the track, make a few passes and visit with like minded car people. It will definately be the fastest 2.7 truck in the country. To this point to my knowledge a guy ran a 12.4x once but was never able to duplicate it. Another guy has ran mulitple 12.5x, he has similar mods to me except he is a super cab 4x4 with radials on all 4 corners.

That will be a great showcase of the 2.7 potential. I have a SuperCrew and am hoping to break into the 12's myself, but time will tell on that.

w00t692 10-03-2018 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by Bigcat1185 (Post 5935918)
That will be a great showcase of the 2.7 potential. I have a SuperCrew and am hoping to break into the 12's myself, but time will tell on that.

You can definitely do 12's, but it'll probably be something like 12.7-12.9 @ 104-106 mph.

Bigcat1185 10-03-2018 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by w00t692 (Post 5935920)
You can definitely do 12's, but it'll probably be something like 12.7-12.9 @ 104-106 mph.

I mean, I'd be fine with that. I'm going to try and go back in stock trim one last time this year and improve my time in the colder weather. If I can get it down 2/10ths of a second from where I am currently at, I'll be happy. From there, it will just be one upgrade at a time and testing the outcome at the drag strip.

w00t692 10-08-2018 09:38 AM

Well i went back and even without building boost off the line I managed a 12.42 @ 110.8 with a 1.87 60

I fixed the issue where it wouldn't build boost to launch with. I'm going back next weekend and hopefully will cut this time down to a 12.20 with something like a low 1.7 or high 1.6 60 ft.

5150 pops 10-08-2018 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by w00t692 (Post 5941003)
Well i went back and even without building boost off the line I managed a 12.42 @ 110.8 with a 1.87 60

I fixed the issue where it wouldn't build boost to launch with. I'm going back next weekend and hopefully will cut this time down to a 12.20 with something like a low 1.7 or high 1.6 60 ft.

Dude, I sent you a pm, could you please check your box?
Thanks

w00t692 10-08-2018 10:01 AM

I did check it and chose not to respond. Sorry.

5150 pops 10-08-2018 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by w00t692 (Post 5941032)
I did check it and chose not to respond. Sorry.

Nothin' like a good burn, via internet post, on a Monday morning.

Bigcat1185 10-08-2018 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by w00t692 (Post 5941003)
Well i went back and even without building boost off the line I managed a 12.42 @ 110.8 with a 1.87 60

I fixed the issue where it wouldn't build boost to launch with. I'm going back next weekend and hopefully will cut this time down to a 12.20 with something like a low 1.7 or high 1.6 60 ft.

Time updated.

5.Bro 10-08-2018 12:22 PM

If I can make a suggestion. Can you guys post the DA as well?

To even the playing field

w00t692 10-08-2018 01:28 PM

It was about 1800 DA.

isthatahemi 10-08-2018 06:52 PM

Current Mod list too..
 

Originally Posted by 5.Bro (Post 5941214)
If I can make a suggestion. Can you guys post the DA as well?

To even the playing field


An updated current mod list would be nice too.

Pretty good times for that 3.5 eco....

w00t692 10-08-2018 10:45 PM

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...8349d9d761.jpg
Here's the timeslip btw. Left lane. Right lane was a 6th gen camaro ss.

LTNBOLT 10-13-2018 07:23 PM


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...20ed835c2.jpeg
LTNBOLT 11.41@ 120
-2018 SingleCab 6.5’ 4WD 3.31 10spd-
​​​​​​—Whipple Stage 2, Whipple tune, 4” exhaust, 20” wheels, Oz tune.

Litenin75 10-13-2018 09:34 PM

Grats again LTNBOLT!! No more napping on the lights :)

w00t692 10-15-2018 12:01 PM

Time for e85. That alone will most likely put you in the 10's. That and the fuel system to support it i guess.

w00t692 10-21-2018 10:27 PM

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...1b926b038.jpeg
Here you go, did another PB since the DA was about 100 ft positive for this pass instead of 1800ish lol.

Right lane, same mods nothing has changed from before.

17 2wd screw tuned on e50 and an intercooler on a mickey thompson et street r

w00t692 10-21-2018 11:10 PM

I did a 1.65 60 and a 7.71 1/8 mi but either it decided to pull timing out up top or headwind screwed me but it was only a 12.33 somehow.

Mark Miller 10-22-2018 01:47 AM


Originally Posted by w00t692 (Post 5956196)
I did a 1.65 60 and a 7.71 1/8 mi but either it decided to pull timing out up top of headwind screwed me but it was only a 12.33 somehow.

Nice 12.28@112.5 mph pass sounds like ^this pass^ could have been a 12.00 pass if all went well?

XL-ent 10-22-2018 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by w00t692 (Post 5956152)
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...1b926b038.jpeg
Here you go, did another PB since the DA was about 100 ft positive for this pass instead of 1800ish lol.

Right lane, same mods nothing has changed from before.

17 2wd screw tuned on e50 and an intercooler on a mickey thompson et street r

Very nice!!

isthatahemi 10-22-2018 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by w00t692 (Post 5956196)
I did a 1.65 60 and a 7.71 1/8 mi but either it decided to pull timing out up top or headwind screwed me but it was only a 12.33 somehow.

That sounds like a typo.... My truck with 600=ft/lbs and a perfect launch never got in the 1.6's, and ran 7.7 multiple times...
What was that about headwind?

w00t692 10-22-2018 09:01 PM

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...f7af242276.jpg

Originally Posted by isthatahemi (Post 5957156)
That sounds like a typo.... My truck with 600=ft/lbs and a perfect launch never got in the 1.6's, and ran 7.7 multiple times...
What was that about headwind?

Plenty of ecoboosts doing 1.6 60's man i dunno what to tell ya. Pretty sure you were accelerating faster through the 1/8 than me despite a higher 60.

blue5.0 10-24-2018 09:24 PM

1 Attachment(s)
2013 f150 5.0
12.684 @ 110.35
Attachment 550460

Syclone383 10-24-2018 11:16 PM

Left lane , last Friday night,
2018 F150 RCSB FX4 Tune Only


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...6e7150646f.jpg
Test-N-Tune 19Oct2018
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...4f4d95c83b.jpg
Test-N-Tune 19Oct2018

isthatahemi 10-25-2018 01:10 AM


Originally Posted by w00t692 (Post 5957210)
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...f7af242276.jpg


Plenty of ecoboosts doing 1.6 60's man i dunno what to tell ya. Pretty sure you were accelerating faster through the 1/8 than me despite a higher 60.

Weird but cool. Good job. I looked at my slip, and I can't figure it out. Perhaps if our track would let me run in the groove, that would have made the difference. I always laid rubber at the line.

Ecks 10-27-2018 02:52 AM

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...61870aff4b.jpg
Year: 2018
Model: XLT
Engine: 5.0
Cab: Supercrew
Bed Length: 5.5’
4WD
Gears: 3.73
Transmission: 10 speed
Weight: Unknown
Mods: Whipple Stage 2 w/ stock whipple cal. Zero additional mods besides OPG's.
1/4 time: 12.641
MPH: 110.09

Pretty sure I could have sqeezed a bit more out of her but had to leave the track early.
Only got a few runs in and each one was better than the last. Less than 500 miles on the truck :blush:

isthatahemi 10-27-2018 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by Syclone383 (Post 5959837)
Left lane , last Friday night,
2018 F150 RCSB FX4 Tune Only


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...6e7150646f.jpg
Test-N-Tune 19Oct2018
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...4f4d95c83b.jpg
Test-N-Tune 19Oct2018

What gears?

5150 pops 10-27-2018 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by isthatahemi (Post 5962555)
What gears?

It's says at the bottom 3.73

EDIT. Sorry Quoted wrong post, no idea what gear.

silcrew 10-27-2018 10:01 PM

I got to the rack the last night. 2017 XLT supercrew 4x4 5.0 with Whipple stage 1 with 3.62 pulley, Oz tuned. I have 3.55 gears, 6 speed, and VAS traction bars. stock everything else
Not sure how to upload pics, tried to attch my slip. If it doesnt show, 2.055 60ft, 12.687 at 111https://attachment.outlook.live.net/...animation=true

Syclone383 10-27-2018 11:05 PM


Originally Posted by isthatahemi (Post 5962555)
What gears?

3.73

isthatahemi 10-30-2018 09:28 PM

There it is. I was wondering how your truck was so damned fast for the limited mod list!

DurantECOBOAST16 10-30-2018 10:24 PM

Man it sounds like i need the get an intercooler and possibly a downpipe. Those are great times guys. I dont think i can get that low in a screw 3.5 fx4.

isthatahemi 10-30-2018 10:34 PM

Maybe not in a '16, the 10 speed is pretty slick.

DurantECOBOAST16 10-30-2018 10:43 PM

I have a 17. The 16 in my handle is my college baseball number.

Paul Josephson 11-04-2018 12:44 AM

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...d9be418a6c.jpg
Year: 2018
Model: XL
Engine: 3.5 Ecoboost
Cab: Supercab
Bed Length: 6.5’
2WD/4WD: 4WD
Gears: 3.31
Transmission: 10 speed
Weight: 5000 even
Mods: 5 star tune, exhaust
1/4 time: 12.1772
MPH: 111.75

Mark Miller 11-04-2018 01:58 AM


Originally Posted by Paul Josephson (Post 5971124)
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...d9be418a6c.jpg
Year: 2018
Model: XL
Engine: 3.5 Ecoboost
Cab: Supercab
Bed Length: 6.5’
2WD/4WD: 4WD
Gears: 3.31
Transmission: 10 speed
Weight: 5000 even
Mods: 5 star tune, exhaust
1/4 time: 12.1772
MPH: 111.75

Nice ET and Mph congrats!!!

w00t692 11-04-2018 02:21 PM

****, i need to install those 18 turbos on my truck like... yesterday.

engineermike 11-04-2018 02:23 PM

What fuel?

OCMike 11-04-2018 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by Paul Josephson (Post 5971124)
Year: 2018
Model: XL
Engine: 3.5 Ecoboost
Cab: Supercab
Bed Length: 6.5’
2WD/4WD: 4WD
Gears: 3.31
Transmission: 10 speed
Weight: 5000 even
Mods: 5 star tune, exhaust
1/4 time: 12.1772
MPH: 111.75

Great first post! Welcome to the forum.

Mike

Bigcat1185 11-04-2018 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by silcrew (Post 5963119)
I got to the rack the last night. 2017 XLT supercrew 4x4 5.0 with Whipple stage 1 with 3.62 pulley, Oz tuned. I have 3.55 gears, 6 speed, and VAS traction bars. stock everything else
Not sure how to upload pics, tried to attch my slip. If it doesnt show, 2.055 60ft, 12.687 at 111https://attachment.outlook.live.net/...animation=true

Bed length?

OCMike 11-04-2018 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by Bigcat1185 (Post 5971570)


Bed length?

It says in his post 6.5'

Mike

Bigcat1185 11-04-2018 03:02 PM

Wicked. List updated! Let me know if I missed anything.

Paul Josephson 11-04-2018 11:27 PM


Originally Posted by engineermike (Post 5971566)
What fuel?

If you are asking me, E50. I have it easy where there's an option for E50 at the gas station nearest to my house, and it actually tests at 50% ethanol.

Bigcat1185 11-04-2018 11:57 PM


Originally Posted by Paul Josephson (Post 5971124)
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...d9be418a6c.jpg
Year: 2018
Model: XL
Engine: 3.5 Ecoboost
Cab: Supercab
Bed Length: 6.5’
2WD/4WD: 4WD
Gears: 3.31
Transmission: 10 speed
Weight: 5000 even
Mods: 5 star tune, exhaust
1/4 time: 12.1772
MPH: 111.75

That is quick for 3.31 gears. Compared to the 3.73, aren't they slower when it comes to acceleration?

Paul Josephson 11-05-2018 12:11 AM


Originally Posted by Bigcat1185 (Post 5972051)
That is quick for 3.31 gears. Compared to the 3.73, aren't they slower when it comes to acceleration?

In theory yes, however with the ten speed 3.31 gears are more like 3.55 or 3.73 on the old 6 speed auto. A 3.73 would also have to shift more times going down the track, so ultimate acceleration may be higher but over a set distance they would be close.

Ecks 11-05-2018 10:11 AM

I'm interested to see if anyone has done any 1/4 mile testing on like for like trucks with the only difference being gear ratios on a 10-speed. Same weather conditions and track.

i know there is tons of debate on this but it would be nice to see a true comparison.

w00t692 11-05-2018 10:23 AM

The Ecoboost is faster with 3.15 and 3.31 than it is with 3.55's or 3.73's. There's not enough RPM's to drag out gears like you can on the 5.0. So longer gear ratios work better.

Bigcat1185 11-05-2018 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by w00t692 (Post 5972382)
The Ecoboost is faster with 3.15 and 3.31 than it is with 3.55's or 3.73's. There's not enough RPM's to drag out gears like you can on the 5.0. So longer gear ratios work better.

Is that only with the 10spd tranny ratios?

w00t692 11-05-2018 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by Bigcat1185 (Post 5972406)


Is that only with the 10spd tranny ratios?

With the 6 speed 3.31 and 3.55 are the fastest ratios. So pretty much yeah.

Bigcat1185 11-05-2018 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by w00t692 (Post 5972519)
With the 6 speed 3.31 and 3.55 are the fastest ratios. So pretty much yeah.

I don’t see how longer gears could be faster. Shorter gears not only accelerate quickly, but it keeps the RPM from dropping during shifts as well.

w00t692 11-05-2018 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by Bigcat1185 (Post 5972567)


I don’t see how longer gears could be faster. Shorter gears not only accelerate quickly, but it keeps the RPM from dropping during shifts as well.

On the ecoboost the rpms drop right into massive amounts of peak torque, so that's irrelevant.

Bigcat1185 11-05-2018 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by w00t692 (Post 5972826)
On the ecoboost the rpms drop right into massive amounts of peak torque, so that's irrelevant.

Interesting. I feel like my Ecoboost falls a bit to far before ramping back up to the power zone.

engineermike 11-05-2018 05:04 PM

Torque management is muddying all these waters.

w00t692 11-05-2018 10:00 PM


Originally Posted by Bigcat1185 (Post 5972863)


Interesting. I feel like my Ecoboost falls a bit to far before ramping back up to the power zone.

Are you running a 30" or less tire? If not then that's why lol.

Paul Josephson 11-06-2018 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by w00t692 (Post 5973244)
Are you running a 30" or less tire? If not then that's why lol.

With the same DA ( between 250 and 275) and tune, I ran faster mph and et on my 32.8" 305/45/22 than with my 31.9" 275/55/20 stock wheels/ tires. 12.43@110 on my 32.8's and 12.58@108 on my 31.8's. 5240 lb with me in it with 31.8's, 5200 lb total with 32.8's. 1.79 60' for both. Effectively going from 3.31's to 3.20's because of the bigger tires. Bigger wheel/ tires setup weighs 10 lb per corner more. Averaging multiple runs together from those two days shows the same results. Torque management on that tune could be the reason.

isthatahemi 11-06-2018 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by Bigcat1185 (Post 5972863)


Interesting. I feel like my Ecoboost falls a bit to far before ramping back up to the power zone.

Unless traction is the issue, there is more torque to the wheels with shorter gears, so unless the trans can't shift fast enough or some other factor (other than tire size . torque management as mike mentioned, or loss of boost on shifts) all else being equal, the shorter gears should prevail.

w00t692 11-06-2018 09:03 AM

Makes no sense to me, both of those tires sizes keep you in 5th gear before the traps so a larger tire should never be faster here. Especially when it's also a change to a heavier larger wheel to boot.

Paul Josephson 11-06-2018 09:44 AM

I can check the logs. Might be that the higher load spooled up the turbos better from down low.

BadCon 11-06-2018 10:03 AM

The larger tire also has a larger contact patch, so increased grip could be a factor, especially if it was spinning on some of the gearshifts leading to torque management as mentioned.

w00t692 11-06-2018 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by BadCon (Post 5973627)
The larger tire also has a larger contact patch, so increased grip could be a factor, especially if it was spinning on some of the gearshifts leading to torque management as mentioned.

he said 1.79 60 on both. No way he's losing 3 tenths in 4wd from shifting spinning the tires.

Paul Josephson 11-06-2018 12:07 PM

Have to spin the tires at least a little to get a good 60 foot as launching softer will bog the engine. Although both are 1.79 I could have been going faster through the 60 foot gates because of more traction with the wider tires. (Bog off the line a little, then get into boost hard with grip) and (spin more off the line while in boost but have less ultimate grip) can result in the same 60 foot times at different speeds at the end of the 60 foot. I bet this is the culprit.

w00t692 11-06-2018 01:06 PM

Have you looked at the logs? It's more likely that it just pulled timing out on the big end and slowed you down.

Bigcat1185 11-07-2018 02:24 PM

We need to focus more on how Paul Josephson ran 12.1 with just a tune and exhaust.

w00t692 11-07-2018 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by Bigcat1185 (Post 5975041)
We need to focus more on how Paul Josephson ran 12.1 with just a tune and exhaust.

2018 has larger turbos. It makes the same power on 17 psi of boost as my turbos do at 19 lbs of boost.

engineermike 11-07-2018 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by Bigcat1185 (Post 5975041)
We need to focus more on how Paul Josephson ran 12.1 with just a tune and exhaust.

I believe the key is the gen2 advantages, plus the bigger turbos, plus the e50 fuel. The e50 gets you a lot of detonation resistance and you can run more boost and timing.

w00t692 11-07-2018 07:34 PM

3 things get the gen2 making way more power than the gen1

1.) all 15-17 trucks have same size turbos, but the gen2 3.5 has dual injection so they've redesigned the cylinder heads correspondingly as they no longer need an odd reversion lip to clean the back of the intake valves and thus the headflow is superior
2.) the exhaust manifold is LIGHTYEARS better on the gen2 3.5
3.) harping on dual injection again, it gives you the fuel capacity you need to run the power it's actually capable of making. I'm making that power you see up there at 80-82 lambda, which is about as lean as i'd like to go with the smaller amount of Direct Injection blend i'm running

Bigcat1185 11-07-2018 07:41 PM

By exhaust manifold, do you mean downpipes?

engineermike 11-07-2018 07:46 PM

The 5 star tunes gained 100 rwhp when they went from 93 to e50.

Bigcat1185 11-07-2018 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by engineermike (Post 5975361)
The 5 star tunes gained 100 rwhp when they went from 93 to e50.

Do the people who run those fuel run them all the time? Or only for track use?

w00t692 11-07-2018 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by Bigcat1185 (Post 5975363)


Do the people who run those fuel run them all the time? Or only for track use?

You think i'm gonna turn down an extra 100 whp for the price of 3.5 mpg? HELL NO. Worth it, don't care lol.

Bigcat1185 11-07-2018 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by w00t692 (Post 5975372)
You think i'm gonna turn down an extra 100 whp for the price of 3.5 mpg? HELL NO. Worth it, don't care lol.

Does it have any negative impact on the fuel system?

w00t692 11-07-2018 08:28 PM


Originally Posted by Bigcat1185 (Post 5975374)


Does it have any negative impact on the fuel system?


I'm sure the life of the fuel pump being pushed to higher duty cycle will lower how long it lasts. The rest of the components i doubt it.

DurantECOBOAST16 11-07-2018 10:29 PM


Originally Posted by engineermike (Post 5975361)
The 5 star tunes gained 100 rwhp when they went from 93 to e50.

so you are telling me that my 17 with 93 performance tune would make an extra 100rwhp with an E50 performance tune?

engineermike 11-07-2018 10:56 PM


Originally Posted by DurantECOBOAST16 (Post 5975540)

so you are telling me that my 17 with 93 performance tune would make an extra 100rwhp with an E50 performance tune?

No, I’m not telling you that. I’m telling you what is on the 5star dyno graphs that are on their website.

DurantECOBOAST16 11-07-2018 11:55 PM


Originally Posted by engineermike (Post 5975556)


No, I’m not telling you that. I’m telling you what is on the 5star dyno graphs that are on their website.

okay. Im sure those gains are over stock numbers. I would love to go with a blended fuel tune like E50 but the closest pump is 45 minutes away. I have entertained the idea of using Boostane to raise my octane level to 100. Dunno how much of a power gain I would get though.

engineermike 11-08-2018 05:55 AM


Originally Posted by DurantECOBOAST16 (Post 5975597)

okay. Im sure those gains are over stock numbers.

they are showing 445 rwhp on 93 and about 550 rwhp on e50. Another board member also posted a dyno run of ~525 on e50.

DurantECOBOAST16 11-08-2018 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by engineermike (Post 5975650)


they are showing 445 rwhp on 93 and about 550 rwhp on e50. Another board member also posted a dyno run of ~525 on e50.

Wow that is crazy. I had no idea that was possible. I figured maybe 20-40 hp.

engineermike 11-08-2018 08:08 AM

The supercharged mustangs are picking up around 200 rwhp switching to e85 (with a small increase in boost as well), so I don’t doubt it. There’s a lot of power in ethanol.

w00t692 11-08-2018 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by DurantECOBOAST16 (Post 5975694)

Wow that is crazy. I had no idea that was possible. I figured maybe 20-40 hp.

Is engine high compression? Yes
Does it not have enough direct injection to run 100% on the DI pump? Yes
Relatively high volume of air going through motor? Yes

All this adds up to large gains when switching to ethanol as you're capable of adding 8-10 degrees more timing than 93 octane and i also run another 1 to 1.5 lb of boost over my 93 tune

w00t692 11-08-2018 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by engineermike (Post 5975707)
The supercharged mustangs are picking up around 200 rwhp switching to e85 (with a small increase in boost as well), so I don’t doubt it. There’s a lot of power in ethanol.


Truck i saw picked up 200 whp but it was going from 10 psi to 15 psi AND from 93 to ethanol

engineermike 11-08-2018 09:40 AM

Dustin whipple has posted they could run 6 deg more timing on e85 and the result was 120 more rwhp with no change in boost. The custom tuned e85 guys are running 15-16 psi (vs 11-12) and making over 900 rwhp.

w00t692 11-08-2018 09:45 AM

20 horsepower per degree of ignition timing, seems about right when you're far far under MBT.

I picked up 35 whp from 1 degree of timing on a 1000 whp setup running E98.

Bigcat1185 11-08-2018 10:13 AM

I’m completely ignorant when it comes to ethanol levels. My local Costco’s pumps say “contains 10% ethanol”. Does that mean it’s technically E10?

engineermike 11-08-2018 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by Bigcat1185 (Post 5975838)
I’m completely ignorant when it comes to ethanol levels. My local Costco’s pumps say “contains 10% ethanol”. Does that mean it’s technically E10?

Yes, as is most gasoline. However, there is no advantage to running e10 vs e0 if they are both rated at the same octane.

DurantECOBOAST16 11-08-2018 05:31 PM

Will a good octane booster mix like boostane have a similar affect?

engineermike 11-08-2018 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by DurantECOBOAST16 (Post 5976328)
Will a good octane booster mix like boostane have a similar affect?

Yes but maybe 25% as effective.

engineermike 11-09-2018 10:03 AM

I’ve played with boostane some, running as much as 12 oz in 16 gallons. Others have recommended running 16-32 oz to the 16 gallons. Even still, 12 was supposed to upgrade 93 to 99-100 octane. Looking at my logs, I observed a timing increase of 2-3 degrees while still not quite achieving max timing. E85 allows about 6 more degrees.

Based on my data, it appears to work but I have my doubts about the accuracy of their mixing chart.

w00t692 11-09-2018 11:22 AM

I've seen similar with vp's octanium additive. It works. But not as well as they say.

If you're going to the track mix it into half as much fuel to get results you'd want.

blue5.0 11-09-2018 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by w00t692
I've seen similar with vp's octanium additive. It works. But not as well as they say.

If you're going to the track mix it into half as much fuel to get results you'd want.

Are there any benefits to these products if you're already running e85 or similar products for e85?

BadCon 11-09-2018 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by blue5.0 (Post 5977062)
Are there any benefits to these products if you're already running e85 or similar products for e85?

No, these products are to improve the octane rating of pump gas. E85 already has a high octane, and the cooling properties are what makes it really special.

blue5.0 11-09-2018 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by BadCon
No, these products are to improve the octane rating of pump gas. E85 already has a high octane, and the cooling properties are what makes it really special.

That's what I thought. Just double checking.

DurantECOBOAST16 11-09-2018 12:38 PM

I would buy a 5star E50 tune today if I had Ethonal fuel anywhere near me.

w00t692 11-17-2018 08:38 AM

Another personal best (by far). Left Lane there. Transmission tune and -600 DA did some magic haha.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...ab40ed1cb.jpeg

engineermike 11-17-2018 08:59 AM

That’s awesome! Remind me...are you on an e50 cal?

Mark Miller 11-18-2018 02:03 AM


Originally Posted by w00t692 (Post 5985998)
Another personal best (by far). Left Lane there. Transmission tune and -600 DA did some magic haha.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...ab40ed1cb.jpeg

Nice run and decent 60ft time for a 2wd truck!!!

w00t692 11-19-2018 09:02 AM

60 ft was not very good actually. It didn't want to do anything but bounce off the rear tire instead of holding it to the ground when launching.


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