2016 5.0 - NOS is ordered
 

So as much as I think that my 5.0 is the FUNNEST truck I've ever owned, and has traction issues most of the time in 1st gear, it's time to remove NOS from the bucket list.
I ordered a NOS Coyote 5.0 plate kit, added the window switch just to be safe, as I'm told on a 75shot will be just fine, as long as I don't hit it too low.
Anyone have any input from experience?

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Ahh, NOS... the fastest way to turn "whee!" into "BANG!".

Pretty sure the 5.0 does not have forged pistons so i don't think i would do a 75 shot. You might get more bang for your buck than you want.

On a truck. U r kidding right?

Gonna get that block window mod

Nahwssss!

I live my life a quarter mile at a time.

It won't be the "funniest" for long.... probably won't even be funny. :blink:

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You'll be fine. A 75 shot is nothing on a v8 even if cast. You can put a 50-75 shot on a 4cyl Honda and be ok. I don't even think you'll have to mess with timing at that level. Maybe just a colder plug. I had a 150 shot on one of my old mopar small blocks, though it was forged, and it was fine.

Everyone just assuming a stock 5.0 can't handle a 75 shot. It'll take it just fine. People are spraying more than that without issue.

All the negativity about a little 50 shot cracks me up. The 11-14 5.0 mustangs don't have forged pistons either and spraying 150 or adding a supercharger good for 250-300hp (over stock) with no issue. Theirs even a couple guys here on the forum with 2.9 whipples on their 15-16 f150s putting 600-650hp to the rear tires without issues.

just dont spray it like you hate it!.......







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I think they/we are just having a lil fun at the expense of the OP. In reality, it will be fine. :) Cross it off your bucket list...smiling the whole time your spraying! :)

What growinupmx said.

Also....everyone gets hung upon cast vs forged pistons when really, the piston geometry has more effect on piston strength. Consider that the old turbo Buick came with cast pistons but those handle 30 psi boost all day long. Aren't the ecoboost pistons cast as well?

If a piston isn't forged it doesn't mean it's a common, cheap, cast slug... The pistons in the Coyote are hypereutectic. A hypereutectic piston is stronger than a more-common cast aluminum piston but with a lower "coefficient of thermal expansion", it can be run at much tighter tolerances. They're oil-sprayed from the underneath, which keeps the temps under control to a point.


That alloy block pictured above is certainly not a Coyote block.

I for one was just having fun with the NOS memes... hahaha. I might post more, one never knows. Watch out. :D

In before someone says you shoulda bought a mustang if you want to go fast...

This isn't a 4cyl Honda. The coyote motor can take a 75 shot easy. Just need to make sure your fuel and tuning spot on.

Hahaha... no kidding... but there's a clip on yewto0b somewhere of an alloy FX4 Coyote with a Whipple, long tubes and a tune that goes 11.6 in the 1320...

While beating a viper! :eek:

In before this turns into a 5.0 vs 3.5 thread

Shoulda bought the new Hellcat Charger if you want to go fast. :jester:

I've always wondered why people make comments about if you wanna go fast you shoulda bought..... guys buy Civics and wanna go fast(er). I remember when guys souped up their Pinto. :eek:

Doesn't matter what it is it's fun to make it go faster. Maybe not a cement mixer but....

I remember when guys were buying civics and putting the Acura Integra engines in them, with a super charger, they were fast. They would kill a mustang all day, every day. To the OP, its your money and your truck, enjoy it.

Buying an f150 for speed is like buying one for good fuel mileage. Either way its just a pick up.

That said tho, how long does a nitrous shot last - wouldnt u just refill it all the time? Or is this just to say "man if my nitrous was full right now, Id kick your butt" as he sits there in his low mpg pick up. Lol

OK, I've read all the posts, and the 5.0 should be good for a 75 shot. JUST curious, how would the eco's do on NOS?

Easier to make a truck fast than to make a sports car tow.

It's their money.. their truck.. do with it as they please..

Funny replies :-)
 

My truck spends about 80% of the time with a load on in, or a trailer attached to it. Those who say I shoulda got ......... - I got exactly what I wanted, a stock truck that runs 14's tows 9000#, and get 20mpg on the highway, think about how awesome that is that ford builds such a wicked truck!

I did my homework, and the 5.0 should be good for 100 shot no problemo, based on the mustang crowd running 150+, and only pulling timing. With a window switch, it should be easy peezy. It's funny how some of the basement dwellers run to post about how the sky will fall, I've been playing the fast truck game for 15 years, this is t my first rodeo, and NOS has the fewest drawbacks as far as mods go.

Something to consider as well, the truck still has all the factory ECU protection should some detonation occur (no, it won't save a total f up, but it should cover bad fuel, or light knocking).

Hard to go fast when it's in the shop constantly. :thumbsup:

The biggest thing is tuning. I know the Coyotes don't quite love nitrous the way LS engines do but they can still take a well tuned shot on a regular basis. I've never sprayed without being tuned though, that's just asking for carnage.

my best friend has one.. never been in the shop

So after conferring with Nitrous Express, it's getting a 100 shot, based on the discussion, a 100 shot is no biggie on the Coyote. They recommended and I've ordered colder plugs. OEM timing should be just fine with the colder plugs. They recommend spraying at 2800, so the window switch will be set at 2800.

I would imagine the factory ECU will pull timing if there is a need for it....I'm going to run the nitrous lines at the same time as the 2ga power wire to power my 700w sine wave inverter and sub amp.

I am going to the track early June, and I will get some pre and post NOS numbers.

The Chargers I'm familiar with (police service) are maintenance pigs. The things are *always* broke some way or another. Give the same officer an Interceptor Sedan or Utility... no problems.

Sounds like a good plan. The window switch is a good idea, it'll be hard to hook up with a just a WOT switch. Try and get tuned though, I've seen a lot of factory ECM's(mainly GM's) fail to pull timing without a tune. Just one ECM malfunction is all it takes.

I'm glad to see and F150 taking on nitrous though. Ready to see some times:thumbsup:

Beings though it's a 3.55 ext cab, don't expect anything faster than 12.8 maaaaaaybe with a good tail wind and down hill.

Probably not coincidence, but 100 hp at 2800 rpm equates to 187 ftlb, bring the peak up to about 575 ftlb. That's about 490 ftlb at the wheels, which is right about what all the supercharged 5.0's make where they are safe on pump gas.

Except the supercharged ones don't melt the pistons like butter when giving it hell...

I want to spray right out of the hole, as I have 4WD, but NX said no. As for timing, Ford has a very "active" timing setup, that pulls and adds timing more aggressively than GM's rather timid baseline. (Speaking broadly and generally.)

I don't want to tune in case of a failure, from a warranty perspective, if anything dies or breaks, with a tune, there is NO warranty around here, and Ford is very anti-tune, (we don't have the Mag-Moss act). The best bet around here is to not tune, and not be too obvious, as we have no leverage in the event something fails. The 100 shot is supposedly safe with a stock tune and ordinary gas with colder plugs.

I'd be thrilled with 13.5, (hoping for 14.6 all motor, stock everything except a CAI and res delete) but keep in mind how much lighter the 2105+ are, so who knows.

LOL, a supercharged engine making the same power has a much higher generated heat load, due to parasitic loss from the blower, (to make 150hp, you have to make more gross hp, and factor power required to drive the blower) and still have a much higher charge temperature. There is a lot less stress on the engine with NOS.

Not sure why you think that a blower is safer? NOS done properly is a great power adder, and I can shut it off and run cheap fuel for the 99% of the time, when I don't need more than 385hp, and a power adder is a liability......

Does anyone know where to pick up the RPM signal for the window switch?:unsure:

I put a 100 shot wet system on a 1999 buick centruy v6, it held up fine. (transmission not so much). You will be fine, just make sure the tune is spot on.

This isn't 1942 anymore.

So the install is done, I ran about a third of a 10# bottle through it..... A little nervous though, as the Intellitronix window switch is a piece of poo, so I ended up not using it. The nitrous Express kit for the Coyote is pretty slick.
The result..... It's very cool, but in order to stay off the rev limiter, I mostly used it in 4WD. Other than trying to not engage it too early, and trying no not hit the rev limiter, it's fun. I went for a drive around town, and it's handy to keep the bottle open and just hit the switch when a little extra power is needed.

The torque hit is pretty stout, it seems as though the Nitrous shuts off when the truck is shifting, so I am assuming the torque management backs the throttle off.

And to the naysayers..... 500hp/500tq in a reasonably light truck is a lot of fun and pretty cool. Cross it off the bucket list.......

This one?

No, if you watch the video they specifically say it has a VMP supercharger. That and the truck in the thumbnail of the video you linked to has a VMP Performance decal all over the side.

:ohsnap:


Brand is correct. Someone sent me that link after a group discussion elsewhere about Whipple-style, compact twin-screw blowers (as opposed to, for example, 6-71s) and I watched while doing something else at the same time. I confused VMP with VP race fuel and VM&P naphtha... two products I've used in the past. So, yeah, that's the vid but the *brand* of Supercharger is VMP.

The end result is the same. Or is it? :whistling2:

You throw a Roush system in and you'll turn some heads!


I have a buddy that says he's gonna buy a Raptor.
First, I told him to wait for the turbo V8.
Then I told him to buy a V8 Larry, add a set of ICON2.5s and a Roush. Save 10K+ and kick major butt. The rest is tinsel.
TomJV

I thought the OP meant he bought a New Old Stock 2016, then I realized he meant this:

Lol - fortunately having and using NOS is more fun than siting in my ones house looking for cheesy sound bites about it.

Awesome. Glad you finally got it put together.

Just curious if you are using a wet or dry kit? Im assuming wet. Did you get the Plate kit or just the Proton kit?

Some pics of the install would be awesome. :thumbsup:

Also might consider getting a fuel safety. There was another member in the 09-14 section that ended up blowing a motor due to a stuck fuel solenoid.

Touched a nerve, did we snowflake?

Lmao. Probably not.. that cheesy video was still pretty funny. Im worried he might blow the welds on his intake manifold.

I do find the negative comments about putting nitrous on a truck funny. IMO its the same thing as putting a tune/intake/exhaust on an Ecoboost. If it has wheels on it, someone out there wants to make it faster.

The video was just a joke anyhow. It pokes fun at F&F more than anything else as just being one giant NOS commercial.

...or haul a family around.

This is one of the main reasons I ended up ordering a truck. Not many 5.0's in my area and I wanted the possibility of a blower. I am leaning more toward Procharger right now, but I want to get suspension set up (ICON 2.5s!!) first and get a few miles on the 5.0 before I go down that road.

Very interesting thread, OP. Nice work! I had nitrous on my old fox body so I am a fan. In those days I had to manually take timing out of the MSD box with a knob in the car before spraying. It's almost funny to think about now, but it was so simple!

Ignoring the goober polluting this thread...... moving on.....:)

Hey Bud - I'll get some pics soon. The fuel safety will only save me if the fuel pump has issues, a stuck fuel solenoid will still cost money.

The NX coyote plate kit (wet) rocks, and I emptied the tank in 2 evening. Surprised the heck out of folks, not much pulls on me around town with 4wd traction and 500+ft/lbs

Very simple, yes. Only thing is I have to manually hit it until I get a window switch, a little scary when it hits the rev limiter. But nothing like a sleeper.... I live in a town where cars, cruising, and light to light is what counts. Much faster cars don't move off so well on the street.

Also, the 5.0 is a pretty sweep setup, other than the awkward handling, it's so much like driving a 90's stang, sweet music coming from under the hood.

Polluting? I thought it was pretty funny. You're the one that got all bent out of shape about it.

Even if you manually hit it, is there a TPS switch to make sure you are at WOT?

Interested in the pics. Glad to see you're having fun. Any plans for race gas and 150 shot?

Still has the programmed WOT switch, so when I hit the switch, it powers the WOT switch, yes. It seems as thought the throttle closes a bit when shifting, because the NOS seems to shut off for a split second. And I am running regular 87 octane atm, so my plans are......

1 - I ran an engineering calc to match flows run the bottle at 875psi, instead of the 1050psi calibration setting used by NX, which requires a bottle heater, cooking the bottle to 25F above the ambient temp in the truck. Being a tinkerer, I calc'd that the 125hp jet (.057) will flow the same at 875psi as a 100hp jet (.052) at 1050psi. This should work well for where I live, although on occasion I may need to cool or vent the bottle if it gets too hot, but that said, 1 think the .028 fuel jet is still fat for what I am doing. I'll keep a cheap 12v heated blanket handy to keep the tank above 850F:thumbsup:

I think I should treat the truck to 91 or 93 octane next time out as well.

I am now waiting delivery of a tach adapter (needed to run the intellitronix window switch). A fair number of window switches need an adapter for coil on plug ignitions, as does mine. Also, my research suggests (as I lost my service manual CD), that there is no rpm signal wire on the 5.0 Once it arrives, I will set up 2800rpm hit, maybe 2600 after I'm comfortable. I did hit it at just over 2K, but that was with the super rich / low bottle pressure thing happening.

I will get pics eventually....
 

I ran another bottle through it, what a nice setup, the bigger NOS jet works nicely with a ~900 SPI bottle pressure, improvised bottle heater until that arrives as well...... I was putting around and some random dude in a challenger SRT decided to teach me a lesson. I'd say a tie through the first 2 years is a loss for his him and his one trick pony, buy the 3rd light he realized it wasn't a fluke.

I spent Saturday hauling wood, and Sunday...and my wife can fill it with regular fuel, and drive it to work the rest of the week. Beauty.

just need my window switch to arrive......

Change of plans!! DW bought me a NOS mini 2 stage controller this week for my Birthday. I swapped out the relay and WOT switch for the new unit, programmed the controller, and headed out. Settings as follows...

NX Coyote plate kit - 100 shot (125 crank hp)
On at 2100RPM @ 60%
1 second ramp to 100%
Off at 5800RPM - No re-ramp after shift - full shot.

Leaving the line in 4wd with 500ft/lbs ramped to 570ft/lbs - Not many can keep up, not too shabby.

Hopefully going to the track this weekend.....
 

So the system is pretty awesome. It turns the tires at 40mph in 2wd. It's really only usable in 4wd until 60mph. Based on knowing what a few guys and cars run at the track, I'm hoping to run 13 seconds flat. Had a couple nice go's with a well driven 5.0 stang, after a couple tries, it was apparent the truck was clearly quicker.....
...now if only I wasn't a chicken and was willing to tune it.......

I'd want it tuned or at least run on the dyno to see what timing and air/fuel ratio was doing on the spray

Our trucks have a wideband o2. Could easily get an air/fuel gauge to confirm.

Or if you're old school you can try and read the spark plugs.

NOS is a brand. Man I can't stand when people do that crap.
most N2O failure are user errors, that's a fact.

Where did you mount your bottle?
What size bottle did you get?
How many shots you getting from that bottle?
And where are the pictures :)

Have been back and forth on whether or not to do this myself. Over time nitrous isn't the cheapest because of filling the bottle constantly but it is definitely the quickest way to get your hp up.

How many shots you get really depends on the size of the shot. Last time I sprayed a vehicle I could get about 5 passes out of a 10lbs bottle at a 125 shot. Maybe 6. The first 2/3 passes are always the strongest in my opinion.

When you look at the avg price of FI 6/8 grand. It will take a awful lot of refills to equal that.

Avg price of a kit doing it correctly should run alittle over a grand.

wiiiiizzzzzzz bang ~!~!~!
 

gonna be at my dealership wanting some power train warranty ... I just know it

Nicee do u have anytimes with that 125shot, btw dont be afraid 125 shot aint nothing on this motors 150 is still more than safe. Truck 5.0's are very similiar to the stangs 5.0 and i was spraying a 200 shot before i went boost on an unopened motor on my 16 mustang not even opg's and turning it to 8-8400k rpm.

Alright goober, I think we all get to use abbreviations, especially universally understood ones.....And with the number of hillbilly dialects in north America, where'd you get that crappy attitude. :thumbsup:

As far as failures go, agreed - buying a prepackaged system, following all the directions, and using a rpm window switch and progressive controller, at a puny 100/125 shot wet shot through a plate, with colder plugs, is nothing on a coyote V8. (Especially the lower comp F150 engine)

Re-typing a second time due to accidentally backspacing......
1 - Bottle is mounted behind passenger seat to a piece of plywood, so I can remove it to use the space for people or whatever. Bottle heater and wiring tucks into rear storage under seat.
2 - 10# bottle - should have got bigger!
3 - bottle is good for around 80 seconds of spray, I cruise around a lot on weekend evenings and just fool around from lights, so it last me a weekend easy.
Nitrous (I mean NOS lol) is a lot cheaper overall, but that's not the only reason to buy it. The truck rusn 14's stock, and there is not need for any more power all the time, also, you shut off a switch, and your back to stock. Forced induction is a hassle, and not worth the trouble imo. I can run regular fuel, even when spraying at a 100 shot, so that saves me $.15 a litre on fuel vs premium, which is not optional with FI, also mileage is same as stock.

So add up the fuel saved through better non FI fuel mileage, fuel grade, and the fact that I am into it for maybe $1500 cdn pesos. A blower kit is close to 10K, and NOS is instant usable torque, I'd bet in an 1/8 mile I'd beat a supercharged equivalent.

I'm not like the chicken littles on this site....I have no fear of going bigger, just no use for it.:thumbsup: I just don't want to tune, but, I'm a tune away from a 150shot and 12's, but why? I just like to embarrass or surprise all the one trick pony machines, the "quick" cars that are only that, they can't do truck things is what I'm saying) in my boring, stock looking "just a truck". My experience so far, is not much beats me, the buttload of torque in 1st with full traction just walks away from anything without slicks.
I will get some times at some point, just not a priority, just like pics, which are all evidence if something goes wrong lol.

Sure whatever. Depends what breaks, but stuff breaks regardless, they can sort it out when it happens, and I will not bitch about it.:thumbsup:

Not sure why one school of thought is that a blower is better, yet I could explode my engine, replace it and that would cost less than the total cost of the (proven reliable engineered setup from a reputable manufacturer) nitrous system.......Life is now, and I'm not sitting in my living room fretting about broken whatever. My buddy has a Porshe 911 turbo convertible, his brake job was $6K, he happily paid it, smoke em if ya got em....:thumbsup:

One of the fastest cars I ever rode in was a 2nd gen Eagle Talon TSi (basically a Mistubishi Eclipse), remember those things? This one guy I knew from work had one all souped up, thing was an absolute monster.

so ur spraying a 125 untuned LOL!!

Are you heckling, bro?

Y he mad tho?

Nope not at all lmao

How does this guy installing NOS on HIS truck effect you? Nothing better to do I suppose, it's his truck to do with as he pleases. Why all the BS? Jealous?

It doesnt at all u seem pretty upset tho lmao. I just asked him if he had anytimes on his shot and he told me he didnt care about that which is cool i mean to each there own, and also informed him i have been on way bigger shots and not to worry about blowing a motor on small shot since some peeps would tell him about warranty work or how it wouldnt last and stuff etc... I didnt mean no disrespect nor am i jealous of him or anyone else for that matter.

Not pointing you out. Sorry if you felt that way.

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Its cool dont worry about it, sorry to op for derailing the thread.

Maybe jealous and clueless? I dunno - the 5.0 in our trucks only needs colder plugs for the "100 shot" (which is actually 125 or so crank horsepower). It doesn't need premium fuel, a tune, or anything according the nitrous express. With a progressive controller, it's likely even bigger than 100shot is fine at higher Rpm's. If it leans out or pulls timing, the system shuts down anyhow.
haters gonna hate...

I was throwing around the idea of throwing a 50 shot in the truck not wanting to break anything. Certainly is the best bang for the buck if you just want extra horsepower every now and then. Now I am thinking about a 75-100 shot.

Question... We all know us 5.0s get an increase in power (and a decrease in MPG) when using E85. Any reason you can't run E85 and Nitrous?

Wasnt hating thats for sure, sorry if i made u feel that way. Nice setup btw

I for one do not know the answer to that one, but, IF... if E85 can be used with N2O then that would prove quite interesting.

In the F150 Owners Manual there's a paragraph or so on the subject of switching back and forth between E85 and unleaded... the gist of it is that, "yeah, great! idea" if you ran E85 exclusively... as in all the time. Ford's only caveat if you do run nothing but E85 is to run a full tank of gasoline through the truck every oil change...

If you live in a region heavy on the vehicular ethanol infrastructure, I think it'd be an awesome idea if N2O is compatible with ethanol in these high performance applications.

E85 doesn't work with a wet shot, as the jetting requirements are different for E85, and it would be lean without the corresponding upsizing of the fuel jet, and then you are stuck running E85 until you re-jet. You could also run into fuel pump capacity issues.

As for what to add, I had in mind a 75 shot, and tech at NX said just do a 100 shot, use colder plugs, regular fuel, and don't spray before 3000 rpm. My suggestion is get a controller or a window switch. The controller is the coolest part, allowing smooth powerful launches with the stock converter. I spray 60% at 2100rpm and ramp from there.:thumbsup:

All good - You certainly came off as hatin' though.
Moving on.

Didnt mean too my bad but moving on.

I'm no expert by any means, but I'm confused on the e85 requiring bigger jets... Wouldn't you be shooting the same volume of no2? I know the e85 requires a different air fuel ratio than gas but wouldn't the much higher octane level of e85 allow much more nos safely, in the same way it allows more timing to be pulled?

Lol at not wanting to tune because he doesn't want warranty problems, but puts 100 shot of NOS on it :thumbup:

like wiping before you poop, dont make no damn sense!

LOL dang EcoBo0m hecklers, again! :cheesygrin:

If a 100HP-shot system is installed CORRECTLY, you do not need a "tune".

You underestimate the intelligence of our truck's PCMs and their knock sensing software...

That said, a 150HP shot is walking a fine line and that's where you risk running beyond the timing adjustment capability of the factory 'puter.

Hecklers. :cheesygrin:

Because we all know nothing ever breaks on trucks without NOS. It's not that complicated. Stock rev limits, with safe stock tuning and shift schedules, means that there's a lot of other scenarios beyond what the occasional use of nitrous would cause. If I get a trans leak, I expect it fixed , pretty simple.

It would require more fuel, as E85 contains a lot less energy, and the fuel is what makes the energy, (something that many posters in this thread don't understand.) Same with a blower, fuel makes the power, the extra oxygen enables the extra fuel to burn. Also, their is the question about whether the stock fuel pump could reliably deliver 500+hp of e85. Needing more octane isn't really a factor with a small shot, and the reality is you'd have to always run E85 when spraying.

Not sure why you are wasting energy on E85, that stuff is a scam.

a 150 shot is probably doable with a stock tune over 4K rpm, IF it was staged correctly, but that would probably call for 91+ octane. The only concern I've had is prior to having the progressive controller, the rev limiter was scary....now the system shuts off over 5800rpm.

I'd put the long term reliability of my setup way above a tuned Eco any day.

I like these separate Nitrous fuel systems. Fill it up with Race gas just for your spray...

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I wouldn't....After reading about Boss5.0 popping a head gasket with a 150 shot.

It's all in the details, not the heresay.
Besides what does the high comp boss motor on a 50% larger shot have to do with my setup? Nothing.

The Boss5.0 I was talking about was a member here, not a motor.
Even though you wipe before you poop, don't forget to wipe after. :)

I literally just spit my coffee out lol!

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There is no context there?

Stock ecoboost motors have failed left right and center. Always need context, my brother has a 2016 3.5 Eco and I have a 2016 5.0 he wants to put a catch can to prevent the mass amounts of oil that get sucked into the manifold, but a catch can voids the warranty. Sounds like ford isn't wiping at all....just keeping it dirty.

Everything is debatable but 100 shot if done correctly can be safer than a stock ecoboost and the opposite rings true as well.

When I was installing my boss manifold stage 3 told me over the phone that it would not work because I needed the "f150 boss manifold"... So take everything with a grain of salt. My "non f150" boss manifold runs great btw lol