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Old 04-20-2019, 07:22 PM
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Down here it's state law E85 must be at least 70% ethanol, sux for other people who's states do not require higher concentrations. The pump I tank up at.


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Originally Posted by Rnlcomp
Down here it's state law E85 must be at least 70% ethanol, sux for other people who's states do not require higher concentrations. The pump I tank up at.


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Same here in Iowa. 70% is minimum for E85. My truck only gets about 1.5-2 mpg less on E85 if I drive it reasonable and drive my 2-lane highway instead of the interstate to and from work. If I drive the interstate doing 75-80, it gets about 3-4 mpg less. So I drive the 2-lane and love the $1.79/gal vs the $2.79/gal. And on a side note....I could not find any note on that Lucas additive about not putting it in any fuel with above 30% ethanol. I double checked the bottle and didn't see any of that verbage on there.
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I run mine stock. I know the prior gen F150 advertised sizeable gains in HP and torque running E85 for the 5.0 because the truck's computer adjusted timing for it. I cannot find the number for 2015+ trucks though, but it's very clear my truck is producing more just running E85.

on the pump I buy E85 from it states can contain 51% to 83% ethanol. I've only been running 10% less fuel economy than regular gas so I suspect the pump for E85 is closer to 50% where I'm buying and it's 35% cheaper than gas.

my upper engine is louder on it. Some knocking and ticking. Added marvel mystery oil to it and quieted right down. Then I noticed the marvel mystery oil said not for use in fuels exceeding 30% ethanol. Saw the same kind of note on Lucas products. So I'm at a loss as to what additive to use.

but I want to use E85 for how well my engine runs on it. It's really pepped it up. Just don't want any long term damage. That's why I was curious about the strange note in the user manual.
I believe the manual says no additives.
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Originally Posted by sbronemann
Same here in Iowa. 70% is minimum for E85. My truck only gets about 1.5-2 mpg less on E85 if I drive it reasonable and drive my 2-lane highway instead of the interstate to and from work. If I drive the interstate doing 75-80, it gets about 3-4 mpg less. So I drive the 2-lane and love the $1.79/gal vs the $2.79/gal. And on a side note....I could not find any note on that Lucas additive about not putting it in any fuel with above 30% ethanol. I double checked the bottle and didn't see any of that verbage on there.
You're right! I went back to Wally World and rechecked all the products on the shelf. The Lucas Fuel treatment was the only one that didn't mention anything about using or not with high ethanol blends.

So, I picked up some and will try it out. Here regular gas (with 10% ethanol) rose to $2.999 today while E85 remained at $1.909 per gallon.
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Found a Very useful link:

https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/ethanol_e85_specs.html

Click on the link there for the handbook on storage, transport, and dispensing of E85.

Talks about the reason for 51% to 83% ethanol blends due to the need to adjust to less ethanol in winter to keep good starting properties in engines.

Really good part on quality and additives. E85 doesn't have additives specified like regular gas. Talks about the need to use additives to keep deposits clean from the fuel system. So, the Lucas will be just what is needed.
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Originally Posted by bigandtall
Found a Very useful link:

https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/ethanol_e85_specs.html

Click on the link there for the handbook on storage, transport, and dispensing of E85.

Talks about the reason for 51% to 83% ethanol blends due to the need to adjust to less ethanol in winter to keep good starting properties in engines.

Really good part on quality and additives. E85 doesn't have additives specified like regular gas. Talks about the need to use additives to keep deposits clean from the fuel system. So, the Lucas will be just what is needed.
Ford must assume those who use E85 exclusively will not buy an additive thus the reason to switch to a tank of regular detergent gas at every oil change. Good info to know and I foresee some Lucas additive in my immediate future. (by volume it only adds a nickle to every gallon in cost)

Can't say much for that websites station locator though. It shows one station I've never been to but does not show the one I use.
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