WTF Ford!
10-25-2017, 05:22 PM
#41
Boo!
Seeing if page 5 actually comes up instead of 4 repeating.
yep, it did, guess there was a ghost post.
Seeing if page 5 actually comes up instead of 4 repeating.
yep, it did, guess there was a ghost post.
10-25-2017, 05:55 PM
#42
Senior Member
I have had HID's in several vehicles, and none of them lit the road when wet in the dark as well as the LED's do. HID have more blue in them, which washes out in wet weather. I was even able to see the corn in the field which was cut back two cutter heads deep. As I said, these are the best lights I have ever had on any vehicle, including the Lincoln with the adaptive HID.
There is a fine balance between being able to see at night and being able to see at night with a light source. I highly suggest you read up on it, if you're truly interested.
Just because something appears brighter to you doesn't mean it truly is one way or another. In the case of headlights, a lot of people focus on the short term not long term (short distance vs long distance). If you can only see 150' in front of you and you're doing 70mph - how quick will you travel 150'? Much faster than you can register!
However even with all my knowledge I ran HIDs in my fusion using a quality HID projector and 5000k bulbs running at 55w (compared to industry standard of 35w). Tho my setup was tuned to compensate for the distance, I still didn't go the optimal route but with my knowledge I was able to determine the pros an cons/benefits of the setup. I wouldn't have ran that setup at 35w, to say the least.
It's awesome stuff that a lot of people don't know about. We all have different motivations. Just gotta be open minded.
10-25-2017, 09:04 PM
#43
Senior Member
They should offer led with out the outline lights on the lower levels. 502 and above can have both and still maintain the exclusivity.
10-25-2017, 09:27 PM
#44
Senior Member
10-25-2017, 10:31 PM
#45
My truck was $54k and didn't come with leather seats!!!
I seriously almost did not buy my vehicle because it lacks leather seats. I could have gotten a Ford Explorer SPORT for cheaper..tho lack the bed space and towing options.
Either way.. I think overall just the cost of pickups these days is about $10k higher than where it should be.
I wonder what it'd be like if we didn't have dealerships. Or.. dealerships that were extensions of the manufactures. Set pricing. No negotiations. No rebates (other than stock that sits >60 days) and so on.
There is usually 3-8k in "rebates" off the top. THEN you have negotiated prices off the purchase off the sticker.
What if sales folk got paid a base pay, no pressure sale and the price of the vehicle was just that.
I seriously almost did not buy my vehicle because it lacks leather seats. I could have gotten a Ford Explorer SPORT for cheaper..tho lack the bed space and towing options.
Either way.. I think overall just the cost of pickups these days is about $10k higher than where it should be.
I wonder what it'd be like if we didn't have dealerships. Or.. dealerships that were extensions of the manufactures. Set pricing. No negotiations. No rebates (other than stock that sits >60 days) and so on.
There is usually 3-8k in "rebates" off the top. THEN you have negotiated prices off the purchase off the sticker.
What if sales folk got paid a base pay, no pressure sale and the price of the vehicle was just that.
10-25-2017, 10:59 PM
#46
I'd pay $1000 more to have the LED's as an option on XLT's.
Actually, scratch that. I want the OEM HID's my old FX4 had. Those things were epic!
Actually, scratch that. I want the OEM HID's my old FX4 had. Those things were epic!
10-26-2017, 12:41 AM
#47
Here's what Mike Levine, the king of pickup trucks, said about it.
https://twitter.com/rjonesy
@mrlevine What’s their beef with headlights?
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Mike Levine @mrlevine
Replying to @rjonesy
Don't know. F-150’s headlamps were developed through real-world driving and feedback. Standard halogen headlamps have earned Consumer Reports “Very Good” rating.
5:37 AM - 24 Oct 2017
https://twitter.com/rjonesy
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Mike Levine @mrlevine
Replying to @rjonesy
Don't know. F-150’s headlamps were developed through real-world driving and feedback. Standard halogen headlamps have earned Consumer Reports “Very Good” rating.
5:37 AM - 24 Oct 2017
10-26-2017, 12:45 AM
#48
Senior Member
I agree. Ford did a great job with the ride, engine, and transmission, but there are some things I don't understand. There is no reason why my $52k MSRP'ed truck doesn't have leather, LED lights, and push button start. I almost bought the GMC because the Ford lacked those options.
Oh, but you get the sweet off center steering wheel!
I had a 2011 Yukon Denail and honestly it drove me crazy
10-26-2017, 09:03 AM
#49
Senior Member
Just wondering how many are driving with the instrument lighting at full brightness and pissing and moaning about bad headlights. Have driven from day one (40+yrs) with instrument lighting off or turned down to minimum. Halogens are just fine to me and hate the beady eyed LED blue crap when meeting in traffic. It is about night vision, just get you pupils to open up and you will see better at night. PS have gotten no speeding tickets, or ruined any vehicles with instrument lights at minimum or off at night.
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10-26-2017, 09:48 AM
#50
You're failing to realize it's not the source of the light (halogen, HID, soy candle or LED). It's the kelvin and the optics.
There is a fine balance between being able to see at night and being able to see at night with a light source. I highly suggest you read up on it, if you're truly interested.
Just because something appears brighter to you doesn't mean it truly is one way or another. In the case of headlights, a lot of people focus on the short term not long term (short distance vs long distance). If you can only see 150' in front of you and you're doing 70mph - how quick will you travel 150'? Much faster than you can register!
However even with all my knowledge I ran HIDs in my fusion using a quality HID projector and 5000k bulbs running at 55w (compared to industry standard of 35w). Tho my setup was tuned to compensate for the distance, I still didn't go the optimal route but with my knowledge I was able to determine the pros an cons/benefits of the setup. I wouldn't have ran that setup at 35w, to say the least.
It's awesome stuff that a lot of people don't know about. We all have different motivations. Just gotta be open minded.
There is a fine balance between being able to see at night and being able to see at night with a light source. I highly suggest you read up on it, if you're truly interested.
Just because something appears brighter to you doesn't mean it truly is one way or another. In the case of headlights, a lot of people focus on the short term not long term (short distance vs long distance). If you can only see 150' in front of you and you're doing 70mph - how quick will you travel 150'? Much faster than you can register!
However even with all my knowledge I ran HIDs in my fusion using a quality HID projector and 5000k bulbs running at 55w (compared to industry standard of 35w). Tho my setup was tuned to compensate for the distance, I still didn't go the optimal route but with my knowledge I was able to determine the pros an cons/benefits of the setup. I wouldn't have ran that setup at 35w, to say the least.
It's awesome stuff that a lot of people don't know about. We all have different motivations. Just gotta be open minded.
And you are failing to realize that I can see much further down the road, AND see along the sides of the road, AND see the road, shoulders, and trees when they are dark and wet in this truck, with LED lights, where I was never, ever, able to do so in any other vehicle, no matter what type of lighting it had.
Case closed, move along now.
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