Stuck and buried in snow observation
#71
Dielectrically 5w30
I think the ELD is part of of the axle option, it's listed on my 508 package Lariat as 3.73 electronic lock RR axle, for i think $520 under optional equipment.
#73
I can take a Honda Ridgeline with awd and a set of blizzaks and go places a trail boss or Raptor would just spin with all seasons in snowy/icy conditions. You can have both rear and front lockers and 4 low, and it won’t do **** if you don’t have traction.
We have pick up trucks with 4 wheel drive and the clearance. I would personally maximize the potential of the platform and just buy a set of snow tires and not worry about it.
same with mudding or rock crawling. You need tires for the scenario.
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#74
Senior Member
#75
Senior Member
I haven't spun a single tire in a long time. If I left marks, it usually was 2. I know my 2012 F150 CC 4WD 5.0 w/3.73 certainly had it as I left dual patches many times. In fact, there were many, many threads on the fact back then. I know the couple of time I 'accidental' spun the tires, it was both evident by marks. I had mechanical LSD in several and it wasn't any better for sure and no limited slip controls at all on the front axle like these F150s have with the brake limited slip.
These newer F150s are just so much more sure footed without the Mechanical LSD. If the new brake LS system was so bad, Ford and others wouldn't had gone to it.
These newer F150s are just so much more sure footed without the Mechanical LSD. If the new brake LS system was so bad, Ford and others wouldn't had gone to it.
You are correct on the account of LSD's not being a good match for trucks. They are great for shorter wheelbase vehicles that you can quickly bring back into line, but a long wheelbase truck that will swing the rear way out into the next lane, not so much. Pulling a trailer on low traction surfaces, no way is a mechanical LSD a good idea. LSD's are great for track days, not so much for daily drivers.
#76
Dielectrically 5w30
#77
This week in Ohio we had about 24" of snow in the period of a day. and surprise surprise, our street was never plowed.
I found 4H + the rear locked and traction control completely off worked the best. The more spin it had the better it seemed to move. It was an interesting experience for sure. I never had the truck dance around so much. It would shift 12+ inches left or right when it found a rut it liked.
17 XLT w/max tow
I found 4H + the rear locked and traction control completely off worked the best. The more spin it had the better it seemed to move. It was an interesting experience for sure. I never had the truck dance around so much. It would shift 12+ inches left or right when it found a rut it liked.
17 XLT w/max tow
#78
FORD lifer
“You are correct on the account of LSD's not being a good match for trucks. They are great for shorter wheelbase vehicles that you can quickly bring back into line, but a long wheelbase truck that will swing the rear way out into the next lane, not so much. Pulling a trailer on low traction surfaces, no way is a mechanical LSD a good idea. LSD's are great for track days, not so much for daily drivers.”
Thats funny - do you truly believe this?
A mechanical LS in a pickup will get the rear end loose easier on packed snow and ice, but it’s not a problem if you know how to drive. But in the real world, a pickup with the E Locker, or a LS work so much better than open differentials that it’s not even a fair comparison.
I spent a couple of years pulling my skid steer around, and a decade of pulling my dump trailer, and that’s why I upgraded my rear diff to a Tru Trac.
I’d be pulling my skid steer on gravel, in the Summer, and in 2WD when I stepped on it I got one wheel peels, with dash lights flashing, doing nothing to really stop it. So I’d kick it into 4WD when pulling grades.
With the TruTrac, no one-wheel peels, no flashing lights, and it walked away with it - 9000#.
Sometimes pulling the hills, I’d see the tach creeping up, and hear both wheels churning, but the back end never got loose, not with all that weight keeping me straight like the tail on a kite.
I got a lot of ‘advice’ when I put the front LS in, because I was told it’d be uncontrollable with all 4 wheels churning, but I wasn’t worried about it, because I never saw Raptors slid off the road.
I moved from Montana to Iowa this Summer, and I put my studs on Nov 1st, and so far not a flake of snow.
But I’m ready
Thats funny - do you truly believe this?
A mechanical LS in a pickup will get the rear end loose easier on packed snow and ice, but it’s not a problem if you know how to drive. But in the real world, a pickup with the E Locker, or a LS work so much better than open differentials that it’s not even a fair comparison.
I spent a couple of years pulling my skid steer around, and a decade of pulling my dump trailer, and that’s why I upgraded my rear diff to a Tru Trac.
I’d be pulling my skid steer on gravel, in the Summer, and in 2WD when I stepped on it I got one wheel peels, with dash lights flashing, doing nothing to really stop it. So I’d kick it into 4WD when pulling grades.
With the TruTrac, no one-wheel peels, no flashing lights, and it walked away with it - 9000#.
Sometimes pulling the hills, I’d see the tach creeping up, and hear both wheels churning, but the back end never got loose, not with all that weight keeping me straight like the tail on a kite.
I got a lot of ‘advice’ when I put the front LS in, because I was told it’d be uncontrollable with all 4 wheels churning, but I wasn’t worried about it, because I never saw Raptors slid off the road.
I moved from Montana to Iowa this Summer, and I put my studs on Nov 1st, and so far not a flake of snow.
But I’m ready
#79
Senior Member
The brake method works. Here's proof on youtube channel I watch and he has his daughter do this because of the open diffs.
It starts at 8:04
https://youtu.be/Git76HZKRHI?t=484
It starts at 8:04
https://youtu.be/Git76HZKRHI?t=484
#80
Senior Member
Thank you. I’ve run in to many people, especially those not used to “real” snow and they think all seasons are fine, and even AT. I’ve even driven AT in snow and it doesn’t compare to real snow tires.
I can take a Honda Ridgeline with awd and a set of blizzaks and go places a trail boss or Raptor would just spin with all seasons in snowy/icy conditions. You can have both rear and front lockers and 4 low, and it won’t do **** if you don’t have traction.
We have pick up trucks with 4 wheel drive and the clearance. I would personally maximize the potential of the platform and just buy a set of snow tires and not worry about it.
same with mudding or rock crawling. You need tires for the scenario.
I can take a Honda Ridgeline with awd and a set of blizzaks and go places a trail boss or Raptor would just spin with all seasons in snowy/icy conditions. You can have both rear and front lockers and 4 low, and it won’t do **** if you don’t have traction.
We have pick up trucks with 4 wheel drive and the clearance. I would personally maximize the potential of the platform and just buy a set of snow tires and not worry about it.
same with mudding or rock crawling. You need tires for the scenario.
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