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Old Feb 23, 2023 | 09:01 PM
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Folks, I finally let the 2005 Triton Supercab go, it was a good truck and I learned a lot.

Purchased a 2020 RWD four door almost cosmetically identical, but for the obvious age difference; this one has the 5.0 Coyote, and the 10 speed tranny (WTH)?

I figured, I am familiar with F150, hell I kept that 2005 on the road without major incident, surely I can work on this? Hell no, I can’t even check tranny fluid in the stuttering monstrosity without climbing under it and removing a nut? Auto stop? First time that happened I thought it had blown up, scared the hell out of me. Even the oil change seems unecessarily complicated-I mean, plastic nut? How do I get this thing on ramps with a front skirt that touches the ground? Hopes and prayers?

Lastly, this truck has 28k, yes it was used - but this transmission is the jerkiest, clunkiest thing I have ever felt - it jumps, it surges, it clunks at least under 45 - past that it seems fine. I have read this trans is made to skip gears when no pulling heavy loads, but surely this isn’t normal?

Lastly, loved the idea of the split mirror, you know the side views with the fisheye in the upper left and right corners? Are they really fixed and not independently moveable? I have almost ran into 2 people changing lanes because they leave a huge blind spot if being passed on the left - what is the point?

Sorry for the rant…what am I missing?

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Old Feb 23, 2023 | 09:28 PM
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I have read this trans is made to skip gears when no pulling heavy loads, but surely this isn’t normal?
Won't try to answer everything here, but this is normal for your concern above. Auto Stop can be disabled with the switch on the dash. I believe the dealership can re-flash the transmission, if it is really wonky. Good luck to you.
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Old Feb 23, 2023 | 10:11 PM
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Pretty much all new vehicles have adopted Auto Start/Stop or cylinder deactivation. Same thing with the missing transmission dipstick.

The 10-speed automatic transmission will skip shift some gears under specific conditions. This is considered normal. There's also some Ford technicians that have discussed this as normal, even though there is universal agreement that the 10-speed does generate a lot of negative feedback due to how it operates.

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Folks, I finally let the 2005 Triton Supercab go, it was a good truck and I learned a lot.

Purchased a 2020 RWD four door almost cosmetically identical, but for the obvious age difference; this one has the 5.0 Coyote, and the 10 speed tranny (WTH)?

I figured, I am familiar with F150, hell I kept that 2005 on the road without major incident, surely I can work on this? Hell no, I can’t even check tranny fluid in the stuttering monstrosity without climbing under it and removing a nut? Auto stop? First time that happened I thought it had blown up, scared the hell out of me. Even the oil change seems unecessarily complicated-I mean, plastic nut? How do I get this thing on ramps with a front skirt that touches the ground? Hopes and prayers?

Lastly, this truck has 28k, yes it was used - but this transmission is the jerkiest, clunkiest thing I have ever felt - it jumps, it surges, it clunks at least under 45 - past that it seems fine. I have read this trans is made to skip gears when no pulling heavy loads, but surely this isn’t normal?

Lastly, loved the idea of the split mirror, you know the side views with the fisheye in the upper left and right corners? Are they really fixed and not independently moveable? I have almost ran into 2 people changing lanes because they leave a huge blind spot if being passed on the left - what is the point?

Sorry for the rant…what am I missing?
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Old Feb 23, 2023 | 11:14 PM
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This is what happens when you go 15 years to new technology and have only the old to compare to.
The 10 speed needs to be understood for the 5 shift modes provided, you never saw before with a 395 Hp engine and the Torque it generates.
It's called Select Shift.
If you have the Owner manual, that needs to be looked at and embraced for what it can do and how the shifting works and when.
In default mode, and light throttle the shifting will be from 1 to 3 to 5, then to 6 and on up as speed increases. A heavier foot, shifts can be from 1 to 2 to 4 to 5 etc it's all normal and intended.
Low or first gear is quite low so the RPM change will be a larger difference in the ratio change going to 2 or 3.
In ECO mode, the throttle response is cooled off for economy improvement and not to be judged as a fault. Intended to work that way.
Gear 7 is 1 to 1 ratio with 8, 9 and 10 are all overdrives. 9 and 10 are not spaced out very much.
You have to leave the old behind and accept the new.
Your last truck could not hold a candle to the performance of the new one you now have.
It's like electric lighting. You would never go back to Kerosene Lamps for everyday lighting.
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And there is a lot more that your missing about the advances the truck has.
The Owner manuals are not available past 2019 SO FAR so I can't tell you what to look at unless you have some Manual to access for your year.
If you look into a 2019, there will be little difference on the Transmission or the 5L Engine operation.
The engine is fully E85 compatible for fuel or anything between Gas and E 85.
I have Manuals access off the Internet saved in favorites anytime I need it to try helping with.
I think your just a little shell shocked at the difference between the old and the new.
You aught to have a ride in my 2018 Super Crew with 5L 4WD There is a Bridge below me that is about a quarter mile long plus some road after the end.
From a standing start to past the end of the Bridge will be over 100 mph running flat out. I don't ever make any habit of it but did a couple times in the distant past and know what goes.
Good luck.
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Old Feb 24, 2023 | 04:30 AM
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Everything you’ve mentioned is normal and you’ll need to get used to it if you want to be in a newer truck.

I feel the pros outweigh the cons. I came from an 08 and didn’t find any of those things to be issues.

Auto stop start, press the button and turn it off each time.

Mirrors, I didn’t find any issues with them. Upgraded to tow mirrors for towing not because the stock mirrors had any issues.

Oil drain plug. Seemed a little weird, but I’ve had no issues with it and changing oil is actually easier on this truck then on my 08.

I have a 2017 that has the 6r80 6 speed and it’s smooth. I’ve driven a 10 speed and they do feel much more clunky, but with the million posts about that on this forum, it seems thats completely normal and something to get used to.



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Old Feb 24, 2023 | 06:17 AM
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Hmmm. Alright, I get it. My concerns appear to be paranoia and unfounded. The trans was the biggest issue; I can’t believe this thing will last very long making hard clunky shifts like this…I mean, that is still an indication of one gear jamming into another at speed, right? I would feel imminently better if I could monitor, drain and refresh the fluid easily but I can’t put this thing on a lift every oil change (the minimal interval I habitually checked the trans fluid in the old beast).

This truck is certainly more powerful, comfortable and modern. Just not sure I agree that the trade-offs were worth it - and hoping I don’t get hosed here. Off to find someone who will change the oil for less than $150…

Thanks for the replies.
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Old Feb 24, 2023 | 06:17 AM
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Mine is lowered so I have to put 2 small pieces of 2x6 down to drive up on before the ramp not a big deal unless u have zero patience for such things. The plug is real easy and never been a problem. The trans is like a old granny 4 if it feels you dont need a couple gears it skips them just like you would not needing 1st on your granny 4 ,and for clunky mine shift smooth.i came from a 95 to a18 and still have my 95 lightning so I switch back and forth and can appreciate both.
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Old Feb 24, 2023 | 06:22 AM
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My old truck had a tendency to push my ramps anyways, scaring the crap out of my now X: she hated helping me with such things, even as spotter. Maybe it’s time to just give all of my own maintenance up and become sheeple, eh? I could certainly use the room in the garage…
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Old Feb 24, 2023 | 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrass
This is what happens when you go 15 years to new technology and have only the old to compare to.
The 10 speed needs to be understood for the 5 shift modes provided, you never saw before with a 395 Hp engine and the Torque it generates.
It's called Select Shift.
If you have the Owner manual, that needs to be looked at and embraced for what it can do and how the shifting works and when.
In default mode, and light throttle the shifting will be from 1 to 3 to 5, then to 6 and on up as speed increases. A heavier foot, shifts can be from 1 to 2 to 4 to 5 etc it's all normal and intended.
Low or first gear is quite low so the RPM change will be a larger difference in the ratio change going to 2 or 3.
In ECO mode, the throttle response is cooled off for economy improvement and not to be judged as a fault. Intended to work that way.
Gear 7 is 1 to 1 ratio with 8, 9 and 10 are all overdrives. 9 and 10 are not spaced out very much.
You have to leave the old behind and accept the new.
Your last truck could not hold a candle to the performance of the new one you now have.
It's like electric lighting. You would never go back to Kerosene Lamps for everyday lighting.
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And there is a lot more that your missing about the advances the truck has.
The Owner manuals are not available past 2019 SO FAR so I can't tell you what to look at unless you have some Manual to access for your year.
If you look into a 2019, there will be little difference on the Transmission or the 5L Engine operation.
The engine is fully E85 compatible for fuel or anything between Gas and E 85.
I have Manuals access off the Internet saved in favorites anytime I need it to try helping with.
I think your just a little shell shocked at the difference between the old and the new.
You aught to have a ride in my 2018 Super Crew with 5L 4WD There is a Bridge below me that is about a quarter mile long plus some road after the end.
From a standing start to past the end of the Bridge will be over 100 mph running flat out. I don't ever make any habit of it but did a couple times in the distant past and know what goes.
Good luck.
Well said. I’ve never had an issue with the trans in my truck. It definitely skips gears depending on load and acceleration, but so does my Acura. I’ve never had the hard shifts that others have complained about, perhaps a reflash would help.
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Old Feb 24, 2023 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Prof
Purchased a 2020 RWD four door
Originally Posted by Bluegrass
The Owner manuals are not available past 2019 SO FAR so I can't tell you what to look at unless you have some Manual to access for your year.
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2020 should have a printed manual, mine does. (still shrink wrapped, and believe it or not I have never looked under the hood. Why I bought Premium Care, at my age all I want to do is drive the thing.)
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