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Question for the oil experts
The recent discussion (arguments) surrounding oil certification has me looking. Just got back from Summit and I see than none of the upscale oil brand race oils have the round label that we see on most oil with ratings, but they do list what ratings they meet, just without the round label (same as Amsoil). This would include Redline, Royal Purple, Lucas and others. I also noticed that my Mobile 1 Racing 4T oil lacks the round label, but my normal Mobile 1 has it.
What is the significance of the round label vs just stating what specs or ratings the oil meets? I'm really curious as I haven't seen one race oil with the label. |
Oil is a lubricant
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Originally Posted by mikeinatlanta
(Post 6255351)
The recent discussion (arguments) surrounding oil certification has me looking. Just got back from Summit and I see than none of the upscale oil brand race oils have the round label that we see on most oil with ratings, but they do list what ratings they meet, just without the round label (same as Amsoil). This would include Redline, Royal Purple, Lucas and others. I also noticed that my Mobile 1 Racing 4T oil lacks the round label, but my normal Mobile 1 has it.
What is the significance of the round label vs just stating what specs or ratings the oil meets? I'm really curious as I haven't seen one race oil with the label. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...33a847bff8.jpg |
Originally Posted by mikeinatlanta
(Post 6255351)
The recent discussion (arguments) surrounding oil certification has me looking. Just got back from Summit and I see than none of the upscale oil brand race oils have the round label that we see on most oil with ratings, but they do list what ratings they meet, just without the round label (same as Amsoil). This would include Redline, Royal Purple, Lucas and others. I also noticed that my Mobile 1 Racing 4T oil lacks the round label, but my normal Mobile 1 has it.
What is the significance of the round label vs just stating what specs or ratings the oil meets? I'm really curious as I haven't seen one race oil with the label. |
The API certified logo means that the oil company has met the API's requirements for displaying that logo. https://www.api.org/~/media/Files/Ce...ev8_FM-002.pdf
If they claim to meet the requirements but don't have the logo displayed, I'd think it safe to assume they don't meet the requirements outlined in that document. It's up to you to guess which part of the licensing program they aren't willing to follow (or to prove that they're following). |
That round label is the API certification. And you WANT that. It's all about avoiding warranty disputes if you happen to have an engine issue, which is likely with these trucks, especially with 5.0s. That certification needs an oil rating of SN or better (M1 is SN Plus, at least the 0/30 I use). In addition, you also want your oil to have the appropriate Ford certification, which again, M1 0/30 does. You also want to always use OEM oil filters, for the same reason. And neve exceed the recommended oil change interval, which renders using those 'superior' oils claiming 15K-mile intervals, irrelevant. That way, if you need engine work, you'd never have to deal with warranty denials due to using unapproved fluids or anything else. I use 0/30 because it lubricates quicker than 5/30 at start-up (regardless of temperature), and it's fully approved too, so no drawbacks. But either one is fine. Bottom line is in this litigious country, you better protect yourself. And in this case, there's no need to reinvent the wheel, since M1 (and other approved oils) is an excellent and proven oil, so no need to look for trouble elsewhere. It's like people thinking a K&N racing filter is better than stock because it's more expensive. It's NOT. But it's your call, of course :). Hope this helps.
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Originally Posted by elptxjc
(Post 6255382)
That round label is the API certification. And you WANT that. It's all about avoiding warranty disputes if you happen to have an engine issue, which is likely with these trucks, especially with 5.0s. That certification needs an oil rating of SN or better (M1 is SN Plus, at least the 0/30 I use). In addition, you also want your oil to have the appropriate Ford certification, which again, M1 0/30 does. You also want to always use OEM oil filters, for the same reason. And neve exceed the recommended oil change interval, which renders using those 'superior' oils claiming 15K-mile intervals, irrelevant. That way, if you need engine work, you'd never have to deal with warranty denials due to using unapproved fluids or anything else. I use 0/30 because it lubricates quicker than 5/30 at start-up (regardless of temperature), and it's fully approved too, so no drawbacks. But either one is fine. Bottom line is in this litigious country, you better protect yourself. And in this case, there's no need to reinvent the wheel, since M1 (and other approved oils) is an excellent and proven oil, so no need to look for trouble elsewhere. It's like people thinking a K&N racing filter is better than stock because it's more expensive. It's NOT. But it's your call, of course :). Hope this helps.
5W-30 Full Synthetic https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...672f1ac10e.jpg 5W-20 Full Synthetic https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...c1ee8b85c5.jpg 5W-20 Synthetic Blend https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...6c4bdc87f8.jpg 5W-30 Synthetic Blend https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...cf39ce6601.jpg |
Originally Posted by tmcolegr
(Post 6255392)
It's important to note the specification for engine oil changed in 2018. The Pre-2018 spec was A (SN) and in 2018 the spec has changed to B1 which is now SN Plus:
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Originally Posted by doyall
(Post 6255431)
More precisely, changed during 2018 for the 5.0L. My early 2018 5.0L specs the "A" oil. I trust/hope that the change means the "B1" is formally back-spec'd for use where "A" was the original spec.
Yes B1 (SN Plus) is backward compatible where A (SN) was specified |
Pic from the Mobil 1 race oil. I guess I'm wondering if the race oils (and Amsoil) maybe have additives that are not allowed in an "API Certified" oil. Mobil certainly has the quality and money to have the label otherwise. Second thing I'm speculating on is whether Amsoil or other race oils lacking this label is in any way a negative, but maybe a positive that is non approved for road going cars.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...31dd401163.jpg |
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