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Old 03-12-2018, 12:17 AM
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Hi everyone.

I am in the market for a new truck. I want to sell my 2014 Toyota Highlander Limited AWD, and get back into a full size, crew cab (Ford calls it a SuperCrew, I guess). I have had a few Chevy's years ago, but am not that crazy about GM products.

So.... here are some comments and questions - please don't eviscerate me over some questions - I have never owned a Ford before. :-)

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  • Looking for best combo of MPG and Performance.
  • If I buy a Ford, I believe I want a Lariat for some of the features that don't come standard/or you can't get on an XLT.
    • Leather
    • Auto 4X4 setting
    • Rear Fold-down Armrest
  • I won't be towing much - probably a small open 5' X 8' utility trailer. I may rarely use my neighbor's dual axle trailer to tow my John Deere SubCompact 1025R Tractor/front end loader/ballast box, which I estimate might weight 3k pounds not including trailer.
  • I was initially all about the 2.7 EcoBoost because of the combo of 'power' and 'mpg'.... but am reading articles about the engine not delivering real world mpg results. I saw tonight that Edmunds is doing a long term test on the 2.7 and said that so far, it is under-delivering mpg results by 3 mpg. That puts it below the lusted epa estimate of the 2018 5.0 litre engine.
  • My buddy owns a F150 with the 3.5. He loves it and says he can get about 23-25 hwy, but only if he baby's it and stays at 70 mph or under.
  • I am concerned that putting my foot into the accelerator will make the turbo's suck fuel like crazy - but don't know if that is a reality.
QUESTIONS:
  • Given your current experience, would you outfit your truck again with the same engine you chose? And what would be the most reliable of the three main engines (not interested in the 3.3 at all)
  • I know this has probably been asked before, but regarding the 2018 model - which has new epa estimates - is the 24 hwy estimate for the 2.7 attainable at 70 mph? Or is it a fantasy?
  • Does the Auto Stop/Start function bug the crap out of anyone to the point where they wish they didn't buy the vehicle? I understand that you have to push the Auto Start/stop button every time you start the car if you wish to turn it off? Just wondering how annoying that might get??
  • In real world driving, taking into consideration moderate acceleration driving habits with occasional runs of 75-80 mph, on relatively flatish roads in Michigan, how would the 2.7, 3.5, and 5.0 compare in actual average mpg numbers?
    • I realize this is subjective, but I am VERY **** about vehicle maintenance - oil changes, etc. I am not a speed demon, but not plugging up traffic on a one lane road either.
  • Is the 'AUTO 4X4 worth having in practical application during a typical Michigan winter? I am thinking that I want the Lariat on account of this option, mainly.... because it can't be had on the XLT. I had it on my last 204 Chevy Silverado Crew Cab and it worked pretty well at kicking into 4X4 when needed on patchy snowy roads in the winter.
  • This is the question that will probably get my butt kicked: I am also considering a 2019 Dodge Ram.... depending upon forthcoming info on the new Etorque Hemi setup.... and what the mpg numbers are for that.... as well as looking at their 3.0 EcoDiesel, which seems to get rave reviews for durability and mpg numbers .... not to mention you can get it in almost any of their Ram models. Real world mpg numbers for the Eco Diesel seem to be documented at stated epa of 27 mpg on highway in 4X4 configuration.
    • Not sure about Dodge reliability though.
    • Also not sure about their 'rust protection' verses the Ford Aluminum panels.
    • I did happen to bump into a guy today driving an Eco Diesel Ram and I COULD NOT BELIEVE how quiet it was - it literally sounded like a gas engine when standing outside his vehicle. He said it has been completely trouble free, and he gets 27 mpg on the highway.... said he had 80k miles on it and he would buy another one in a heartbeat.
    • Thoughts on this???
    • One thing that scares me about the RAM is that it will be a new year COMPLETE MODEL CHANGE.... and I have had a lot of problems with my 2014 Toyota Highlander which was also a new generation completely overhauled model....
Can you kind folks give me some insight on the above comments and questions... and any other suggestions for a Ford F150 newbie, since I am leaning that way?

I am probably forgetting a few things, so feel free to add any buying info you feel is important to consider.

Thank you good people !!

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Old 03-12-2018, 01:45 AM
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Well I can't help you in the 4x4 department but as far as engine.....for me it's 5.0 all day long. I watched a couple of different videos about engines and turbo non turbo debates. The most telling video I watched was of a salesman polling all of his technicians about engines. 8 of 9 chose the 5.0. Reliability was the cited reason for a few and the one guy said if he was the one working on it he thought the less things to go wrong the better. Comparable power with a lot less plumbing as he put it. Another gent said the smartest thing I think I heard anyone say about ecoboost. It is either eco OR boost. You can't have both. If you spool up those turbos kiss your MPG goodbye. My wife has a lead foot so I opted for more torque at a lower RPM. I will get roasted for saying that because a lot of people love the ecoboost. But you know what they say about opinions............ My 2013 5.0 got right around 20 MPG on the freeway and probably 14 around town. Just bought the new one a month ago. So far, I couldn't be happier. The auto stop/start isn't that big of a deal. I usually just reach up and disable it.

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my 2.7 averages 23mpg, and its 90% in town..
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MPG read fuelly.com for 2018 as all have 10 speed and auto start/stop. Click on 2018 and read what is their. That is real world use and fill ups entered. That makes 2.7 maybe 2 mpg different has 3.5 and v8 same.

I own a 5.0 and am getting a 2018, currently in expedition with 3.5 it can be fun but fun = turbos and huge drop in mileage. My v8 is fun and not much cost for playing in town. Love sound and don’t care about all the bs here. Run them in a quarter mile stock they are all close. Drive for yourself they are all decent motors you will love one more then others. Also harder to find v8s in stock at least in the NW
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Buy the Dodge. Prospective Ford owners could get all these answers from the first page or two of the forum...

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If you are so concerned about fuel mileage and not going to tow much, why are you leaving out the 3.3 ?
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I'm not a current owner so I wont speak much about these trucks. Been wanting to replace the 03 F150 since the 13th gen came out and just haven't bit yet despite coming close a bunch of times. All I will say about that is I am not loyal to any particular brand even though the current truck is a Ford. All 3 have their lovers/haters/problems, etc. For what's out there right now I think Ford has the best mix of price/value/features/reliability/etc for my taste.

If you aren't going to keep it more than a few years or hundreds of thousands of miles, maintenance and reliability should all be but a non issue on any brand these days. Unless you end up with a lemon or basket case, just about anything will easily last that long relatively problem free even with half *** maintenance these days. I'd only be concerned with that if your going to keep it until its just plain wore out if not when the wheels fall off.

As far as the diesels go however, unless you really need it, I don't think they are worth it anymore. Seems like the light diesels that are coming out (FINALLY) in half tons and other cars are a day late and a dollar short. You are starting to see some impressive power for mpg numbers with gas engines these days that is closing in on the gap, while diesels still carry a several thousand dollar premium, and remain choked and complex with all the emission equipment. You also need to consider the difference in fuel price never mind consumables like additional oil capacity, DEF, fuel additives, etc. The difference between gas and diesel depends on taxes and such in your area, but it seems like diesel is getting up as high as 25% more than gas, at least the areas I frequent. That alone eats up the MPG benefit before even considering the rest of that. As far as the 3.0 diesel in the Rams go, I've read some bad stuff about the longevity of them. A good diesel should last significantly longer then a gas engine, but those don't seem to be good for even that long from what I've seen. I've had diesels in the past, even a diesel Volkswagen. I'm a fan when there is some benefit to them but these days there isn't a single vehicle I would want one in if I didn't need it.
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If the MPG consideration is about cost... The cost to maintain a diesel is higher than Unleaded fuels. IMHO, this converts the MPG conversation to a cost conversation and Unleaded wins than conversation.

If the MPG consideration is about usability. I do not see from your notes on why a diesel should be part of the conversation beyond window shopping.

Keep in mind with my saying the following, we purchased our 2018 F-150 in Aug 2017 (First 2018 of any model off the lot and was delivered the day before as part of the initial delivery from Ford.) and we have over 10k miles on it. I put a lot of miles on vehicles and it got me into a pattern of trading vehicles in routinely. This 2018 F-150 changed that mindset...

Our 2018 3.5 EB Lariat is our third F-150. The first one had all the bells and whistles (2010 w/5.4). Our 2016 was an XLT Sport 302A w 5.0. However, the lack of some items we grew to love and use on the prior Lariat not being in that truck, had us going back for a 2018 Lariat.

Of course because I was upset with myself by being a "Smart" consumer and only getting what the 2016 had and I truly needed. It cost us later when we went back and got the 2018. Where I again did not go "All in" and compromised. I just could not bring myself into adding another $5k in cost to the 2018 to go from the 501 to the 502.

Today I am still 50/50 on if I should have gotten the 502 over the 501. The $5000 different is worth every penny as a package. But really the only true items we want from the 502 are the headlights, adaptive cruise and 360 camera system. And I could not bring myself to spend the $5k that I felt I could do for $2k on my own. Of course the other items that come with the 502 would have been nice to have.

The factory non LED headlights are not good at all for dark and rainy non-city driving and the camera system would have been a welcomed item for my disabled wife in parking situations.

I really do not think one can go wrong with any of the full size trucks. It boils down to personal preference, the shopping experience and your own excitement level when pulling the trigger.

My wife and I have owned 20+ vehicles from many different manufacturers. To this day the 2018 F-150 Lariat we own is the best "Vehicle" ever to be part of our lives. The prior vehicle to have that title for us was our 2004 Denali Crew (And we still see it every few months with the 2nd owners still enjoying it).

This F-150 is the best riding, performing, universally usable and flat out joy to drive. So much so, we have no plans at all to trade it back in in the future. We feel this one is ours until we no longer need a truck. Aaaaand I am pretty sure that is going to be a long time.

Good luck in your hunt and YMMV...
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Buy the Dodge. Prospective Ford owners could get all these answers from the first page or two of the forum...
I must have the gift of prophecy, I correctly stated that there would undoubtedly be some ill-tempered curmudgeon that would choose to cause trouble rather than help a dude out - and HERE YOU ARE ! I think I will try guessing the weight of people at the carnival next. Thanks for wasting keystrokes.
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If you are so concerned about fuel mileage and not going to tow much, why are you leaving out the 3.3 ?
You may have a point, I guess the thought that I want to have some guts on the sporadic times I might need it. Have not read too many exciting reviews on the 3.3..... seems most reviewers say it is old technology, uses a lesser transmission, etc.... but maybe that's a good thing! haha
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