Ford Buy Back Question
05-01-2020, 09:26 AM
#11
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Man. A lot of long responses. Hope I didn't miss to much. A buyback could also be the result of a fraud case. I know because I just settled one. I was sold a certified pre-owned. The accident didn't hit Carfax until two years later and I didn't find out it had 13000 worth of front end damage until I tried to trade it in... After I had a ton of problems with it. Long story short I bought new after that. I would NEVER buy a buyback. Why take the risk to save some money when there is so much on the line. You will wonder every time something goes wrong.
05-01-2020, 11:26 AM
#12
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If the vehicle has been in VA and MI, it's going to have more rust than say a non-salt climate. You already know that though being from MN.
It's sounding less enticing (to me) the more things that are learned.
It's sounding less enticing (to me) the more things that are learned.
05-01-2020, 11:50 AM
#13
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Pretty much every other vehicle I have looked at have been MN trucks so they embrace the salt all winter. It doesn't look like it was in MI very long. The big thing that has been determined is I really wonder if they know the history. Maybe, doesn't hurt or cost anything to ask.
I did find another '18 for the same price. Basically the same truck with black ext and black int. 45K miles. The only thing it has that this one doesn't other than 20K miles is the soft bed cover. Oh and detailed service records posted with it. Single owner (business) So that is always an option. Or keep an eye out for something else. I started kind of looking last June but not very hard until now.
05-01-2020, 11:52 AM
#14
You are out of your mind if you even consider if. I don't care if they are asking $20K for it. I'm in the process now of Ford buying back my vehicle, and I pity the poor person that gets stuck with it.
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05-01-2020, 12:50 PM
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I have been through one buy back (on your end) but it was with VW as I had a Jetta TDI that was part of the emissions scandal. They were blanket buying all of them back (for the most part) with very fixed guidelines on the process and it took months. So I get your frustration. It was also made more difficult than it should have been if we were not buying another VW. For instance, how do you schedule an order for a new vehicle when you don't know how long that process takes and you have no idea how long the buy back works. Of course the VW dealers would work with you but other dealers didn't want to sit on a vehicle for months upon months with just a down payment that someone could end up walking away from.
I am prepared to walk away from this one but part of me also wonders if it is really a buy back vehicle or what the story is. I have seen that in one place but then other VIN Checks don't always line up with that it was a buy back or lemon law claim. I have seen some cases where they determine the vehicle needs a new engine but the timing of getting a replacement like that can be months. I know a guy with a Dodge that had an engine spin a bearing. They bought the truck back. Once the engine was replaced they sold it. In that case would I be against buying one? Not really. It was bought back because how long it was going to take to get a replacement. The entire engine was replaced. However if they are chasing electrical gremlins that is another story. But I also know that the reports are not 100% accurate. So if they have access to the service records is the only way I would entertain it. The answer should be here they are and there is a stack of stuff to explain a buy back as I am sure Ford, like any other manufacturer doesn't make this easy. If I see that and it wasn't a complete replacement of the component like my example of an engine, I walk. If they don't have access to the service records, I walk. If they do and there isn't anything out of the norm and this supports that it is a reporting error, I will have to think about it. I am going over there tomorrow to see it. I don't have anything else going on.
05-01-2020, 01:43 PM
#16
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Well I got a phone call from the dealer and my questions answered and I am going to look at it this afternoon. We changed it up because of scheduling conflicts but that is fine. Ultimately I think I am going to pass on this one. I had asked about the service records and he had them. He started reading off stuff. Now some is multiple complaints on the same visit and some of the stuff is all over the place. The number is the odometer reading.
6,193
- Recall 18S10 performed
11,789
- Recall 18S27 performed
- Blue then white smoke from exh in morning after truck was idling
+ performed SSM 47623
- Sunroof Rattles
+ performed SSM 47395
- Driver's seat makes noise like loose bolt
+ replaced seat track
18,140
- Check Engine Light on and Missfiring Towed in
+ replaced all HP injectors
23,117
- Easy Entry Seat only moves 1/2"
+ replaced driver's seat module
- Diag Engine Rattle after cold start
+ replaced all camshaft phasers per SSM 48272, timing chain tensioners not holding and repalced
- Exh Smoke at idle
+ dye test in oil, none found only found condensation smoke
- Pass Running Board Grinding
+ cleaned and lubed, same issue replaced the boad
- Rattle/creak from back of cab slow speeds
+ noise from fixed glass on pano roof, lowered glass, cleaned and lubed
23,784
- Rattle on deceleration after cold soak
+ previous repair was phasers, replaced vct solenoids
- Rough Idle check engine light on
+ #6 and #3 plugs fouled, compression test in spec, replaced cylinder heads, repl left manifold because broken turbo bold, replaced both cylinder heads, timing chain tensioners replaced as they came apart during work, replaced cab (do they have to pull the cab on F150's like the SD?)
End of report. Current reported mileage is 24,979.
Of course the full report was much longer than this with more details on tests performed. I just tried to do the Cliff Notes version.
6,193
- Recall 18S10 performed
11,789
- Recall 18S27 performed
- Blue then white smoke from exh in morning after truck was idling
+ performed SSM 47623
- Sunroof Rattles
+ performed SSM 47395
- Driver's seat makes noise like loose bolt
+ replaced seat track
18,140
- Check Engine Light on and Missfiring Towed in
+ replaced all HP injectors
23,117
- Easy Entry Seat only moves 1/2"
+ replaced driver's seat module
- Diag Engine Rattle after cold start
+ replaced all camshaft phasers per SSM 48272, timing chain tensioners not holding and repalced
- Exh Smoke at idle
+ dye test in oil, none found only found condensation smoke
- Pass Running Board Grinding
+ cleaned and lubed, same issue replaced the boad
- Rattle/creak from back of cab slow speeds
+ noise from fixed glass on pano roof, lowered glass, cleaned and lubed
23,784
- Rattle on deceleration after cold soak
+ previous repair was phasers, replaced vct solenoids
- Rough Idle check engine light on
+ #6 and #3 plugs fouled, compression test in spec, replaced cylinder heads, repl left manifold because broken turbo bold, replaced both cylinder heads, timing chain tensioners replaced as they came apart during work, replaced cab (do they have to pull the cab on F150's like the SD?)
End of report. Current reported mileage is 24,979.
Of course the full report was much longer than this with more details on tests performed. I just tried to do the Cliff Notes version.
Last edited by sennister; 05-01-2020 at 01:54 PM.
05-01-2020, 02:29 PM
#17
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There are a few concerning issues there. Some of common and not worth passing on. The motor stuff, not so good. I wouldn't feel comfortable getting a 'new' truck that has had cam phasers replaced, then later having the heads replaced.
The pano roof's are a nightmare, so to speak. My 2016 roof is fine. I've been greasing it and using it since November. I'm just making sure to keep it clean and lubed. Only have 2x so far, but it's 6 months since I got it and hasn't been in the sun a lot yet. I'll be doing i monthly through the summer.
Lots of rattle complaints. Usually something that can be corrected alright.
Many seat complains of some variation. Haven't heard of the entry/exit thing, but some report that the seat-back creeps back over time, little bit at a time.
The roof and seats are common, so no matter if you end up with a Lariat or Platinum, those are things you may deal with regardless.
The exhaust steam/coloration is a tough one....these ecoboost motors blow out steam like none I've ever seen before. Doesn't seem to change color, but the amount of visible steam is always concerning. It could have just been that.
Throwing injectors at a misfire doesn't sound like the problem has been solved. Chances of having bad injectors are slim to none.
The pano roof's are a nightmare, so to speak. My 2016 roof is fine. I've been greasing it and using it since November. I'm just making sure to keep it clean and lubed. Only have 2x so far, but it's 6 months since I got it and hasn't been in the sun a lot yet. I'll be doing i monthly through the summer.
Lots of rattle complaints. Usually something that can be corrected alright.
Many seat complains of some variation. Haven't heard of the entry/exit thing, but some report that the seat-back creeps back over time, little bit at a time.
The roof and seats are common, so no matter if you end up with a Lariat or Platinum, those are things you may deal with regardless.
The exhaust steam/coloration is a tough one....these ecoboost motors blow out steam like none I've ever seen before. Doesn't seem to change color, but the amount of visible steam is always concerning. It could have just been that.
Throwing injectors at a misfire doesn't sound like the problem has been solved. Chances of having bad injectors are slim to none.
05-01-2020, 05:05 PM
#18
I saw your post on this but didn't want to mix things up in your thread. Maybe you have documented your issues before but do you care to or can you share why they are doing the buy back? I am new to Ford and I get that these are probably not the norm but it is interesting to see what types of issues people have.
I have been through one buy back (on your end) but it was with VW as I had a Jetta TDI that was part of the emissions scandal. They were blanket buying all of them back (for the most part) with very fixed guidelines on the process and it took months. So I get your frustration. It was also made more difficult than it should have been if we were not buying another VW. For instance, how do you schedule an order for a new vehicle when you don't know how long that process takes and you have no idea how long the buy back works. Of course the VW dealers would work with you but other dealers didn't want to sit on a vehicle for months upon months with just a down payment that someone could end up walking away from.
I am prepared to walk away from this one but part of me also wonders if it is really a buy back vehicle or what the story is. I have seen that in one place but then other VIN Checks don't always line up with that it was a buy back or lemon law claim. I have seen some cases where they determine the vehicle needs a new engine but the timing of getting a replacement like that can be months. I know a guy with a Dodge that had an engine spin a bearing. They bought the truck back. Once the engine was replaced they sold it. In that case would I be against buying one? Not really. It was bought back because how long it was going to take to get a replacement. The entire engine was replaced. However if they are chasing electrical gremlins that is another story. But I also know that the reports are not 100% accurate. So if they have access to the service records is the only way I would entertain it. The answer should be here they are and there is a stack of stuff to explain a buy back as I am sure Ford, like any other manufacturer doesn't make this easy. If I see that and it wasn't a complete replacement of the component like my example of an engine, I walk. If they don't have access to the service records, I walk. If they do and there isn't anything out of the norm and this supports that it is a reporting error, I will have to think about it. I am going over there tomorrow to see it. I don't have anything else going on.
I have been through one buy back (on your end) but it was with VW as I had a Jetta TDI that was part of the emissions scandal. They were blanket buying all of them back (for the most part) with very fixed guidelines on the process and it took months. So I get your frustration. It was also made more difficult than it should have been if we were not buying another VW. For instance, how do you schedule an order for a new vehicle when you don't know how long that process takes and you have no idea how long the buy back works. Of course the VW dealers would work with you but other dealers didn't want to sit on a vehicle for months upon months with just a down payment that someone could end up walking away from.
I am prepared to walk away from this one but part of me also wonders if it is really a buy back vehicle or what the story is. I have seen that in one place but then other VIN Checks don't always line up with that it was a buy back or lemon law claim. I have seen some cases where they determine the vehicle needs a new engine but the timing of getting a replacement like that can be months. I know a guy with a Dodge that had an engine spin a bearing. They bought the truck back. Once the engine was replaced they sold it. In that case would I be against buying one? Not really. It was bought back because how long it was going to take to get a replacement. The entire engine was replaced. However if they are chasing electrical gremlins that is another story. But I also know that the reports are not 100% accurate. So if they have access to the service records is the only way I would entertain it. The answer should be here they are and there is a stack of stuff to explain a buy back as I am sure Ford, like any other manufacturer doesn't make this easy. If I see that and it wasn't a complete replacement of the component like my example of an engine, I walk. If they don't have access to the service records, I walk. If they do and there isn't anything out of the norm and this supports that it is a reporting error, I will have to think about it. I am going over there tomorrow to see it. I don't have anything else going on.
05-01-2020, 06:00 PM
#19
Most of the time it is good to pass on a buyback unless you know the person that had it and what was wrong with it.Also you would have to get a screaming deal on it because if you go to sell it I don’t know if buyback is attached to the title or not or if it has to be disclosed at selling that could open up a can of worms.Good call on passing.
05-01-2020, 06:27 PM
#20
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Hey buddy. My lawyer advised me not to discuss the details until I sign the paperwork making the buyback official. As soon as the paperwork is signed, and it's a done deal, I plan on making a thread detailing everything. What I can say is my truck was at the dealership for over 60 days. I had multiple problems, and I'm still experiencing issues. As soon as things are done, I'll post all the details.
The other dealer just left with the F150 that has 30K miles for $43K. It comes with a 10 year (from our purchase) and 150K (odometer) warranty on powertrain. We can maintain ourself as long as we track records. It also isn't a buy back. Single owner here local. That was kind of a tipping point. No FX4 but I don't need that. It does have the towing mirrors which I kind of wanted. She took info on our trades and is crunching the numbers. We should hear back tomorrow and know more.