Donutz

Again... There is zero advantage to have a diesel engine in an f150. ZERO. The development of the ecoboost engines saw to that. Both the 2.7 and 3.5 will do everything that a small diesel will do at a fraction of the cost. Engine technical advancement is such that towing and payload is dictated more by the trucks chassis and less about the motor. Hook a 10k trailer to an f150 and see what the real issues are. Its not power, its the rear end of the truck being pushed all over the road

Look at the payload of the ram with the heavy diesel. Its like 800lbs

130428

how 'bout the 6.7 PSD in a F'one diddy??

Weight distribution 99F/1R or so, should handle great for the winter

smurfs_of_war

Lol... again- you're only looking at one side of the coin. Towing. The ecodiesel (and potentially Ford's small diesel) have a place. If I were commuting 100km a day and only needed the box of the truck to haul some gardening supplies or the occassional load to the dump- how would that ecodiesel not make sense? Low to mid 30's for mileage, mid teens with trailers in tow. And don't kid yourself- if you poke around on the forums, there are a LOT of people towing moderate to heavy campers with them and actually ENJOYING it. That doesn't mean they are "in spec" but it's happening, and it is performing well. If Ford can hit the mark with a small diesel that is as capable as the 3L VM, then great! More options for buyers!

The ecoboost is a great little piece of technology but the loaded mileage is the same as my 6.4L Hemi. I think this is where the manufacturers are feeling the sting. Forced induction on a gasser is all about feeding it. Make it work- it's going to drink. Diesels are more efficient at this type of work. Ford has to do this, Ram did it successfully, GM has it coming. It's the next logical step.

I guess nobody told Nissan that diesels don't belong in half tons. That 5L cummins is going to be a killer.

Jo24Super2

The diesel will easily have more torque and therefor, better towing especially toward the tow limits. Not more capacity, but better towing.

And you said it yourself. Payload has almost nothing to do with engine selection, since both are sufficient to carry the weight and the weight of the engine rests on the front. Diesel delivers more torque, spins turbos more efficiently, and produces more torque for less fuel. It feels much more confident when towing, and does it much cheaper. It also produces much of that torque before the turbos spin up, which helps with economy under various conditions.

Diesel will mean better fuel efficiency for certain applications like high friction road conditions and towing. If the 3.5L EB delivers 420 ft-lb of torque, it won't be surprising to see the 3.0L diesel producing 440 with better fuel economy. It'll also deliver more consistent power thanks to the high torque/low horsepower, which makes for a much better experience in low traction situations because tire spin won't be so dramatic for those times you need to turn off traction control to get through a pit.

Diesel is also cheaper than gas in many places, right now. Diesel is also a much better platform for LNG conversation, so it's unsurprising to see one coming from Ford.

Gas is not a flatly superior fuel to diesel.

You need to consider all the facts. The way you lumped frame payload limits and engine payload limits together as a way of trying to moot the benefits to diesel is a testament to that.

Donutz

You are not gonna get low to mid 30mpg with a new diesel engine in a truck. Anyone that claims they are is lying. So go ahead.. Buy a truck with diesel engine. The cost of owning and maintaining it will prove my point. Go ahead, try it

I am considering all the facts i have owned diesel trucks in the past. Your payload will be nothing. You will pay much more for fuel and maintenance and u will be able to tow the same amount of weight, with fewer people in the truck. Go ahead and report back to us in a year....

stainlessman

I think this was kicked around over in the general thread section several months ago. One guy posted his diesel he had , a Dodge I think was $280. per oil change, he listed all the crap itemized on his bill from the garage. He had lived/driven/maintained and finally traded the diesel pickup. If you want to be a trucker...Get a Mack, Peterbuilt or Kenworth....

ToTheBar

It's not about how practical it is it's how many people will buy it. Clearly there's a market for it

gouldje

if they took the 6.7 and cut 2 cyl. off that would be perfect, that would be a truck/motor combo that people would want

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I've never owned a diesel. I used to want one when the 7.3 powerstrokes and earlier Cummins engines were out (even the early Duramax engines), but couldn't afford one and didn't really need one. I'd be afraid to get one now due to the EPA stuff, DEF and the like.

Pardon my ignorance, but why are the maintenance costs so high (not counting DEF)? I understand parts are higher, but why is routine maintenance (oil changes) so high?

SilverSurfer15

A review from a previous ecodiesel owner...

Overall: LOVED it. But it ended up being replaced with my hemi truck due to lemon law.

Maintenance: dont know, only had it 10k miles. Was in the shop a lot for emission and exhaust leak related issues.

Towing: slightly slower pulling a 17ft boat, prob in the 4500lb range but thats just a guess, than a 2011 f150 EB with 4.10s. Mostly unnoticeable unless trying to merge.

Unloaded: definitely slower than most trucks if you are WOT, but at part throttle its every bit as good as anything else. Could hold 8th gear on most small hills with no problem.

MPG: *hand cal*

Towing: dont really know, always forgot to check it.
Unloaded City: 16-17
Unloaded back road driving at 55-60 with minimal stopping: 27-30.2
Unloaded 70-75mpg on highway: 24-27

Truck owned in Northwest FL panhadle area. Basically sea level, mostly flat, 2wd crew cab laramie with 3.55s.

If they could get that truck stabilized, it would be awesome. Even if you deleted, there is still an oil cooler problem that plagues them for now. Sad.

I should point out, i only broke 30 mpg twice. Takes about 60-70 miles of driving at 55 with no wind and the right temps and no traffic and no lights lol. I would say my average mpg was 16/27.

But still pretty awesome. And you could run 85 on the hwy and still get around 23-24. Wont do that in ANY other truck lol.