In defense of the 2.7 ecoboost
03-09-2019, 11:08 AM
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Your useless math was blown out the window when you purchased a truck that gets hit with massive depreciation year 1 while you make monthly payments on a depreciating asset. Gasoline costs are very minute compared to other associated costs and does not equal cost to own. What about maintenance, mileage towing, longevity, ownership term?
My 6.2L has averaged 15-16 MPG since new and I can get it down to 12 if I juice it enough. Doesn’t bother me and I’ll be keeping it forever.....bet you I spend much less money than most members running my one $55,000 truck to 200k miles vs others taking on a new payment every 2 years. Spend a dollar to save a penny. Math can be skewed any way you like.
03-09-2019, 11:13 AM
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Be enlightened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation
03-09-2019, 11:15 AM
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03-09-2019, 12:43 PM
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Your math was blown out the window when you purchased a truck that gets hit with massive depreciation year 1 while you make monthly payments on a depreciating asset. Gasoline costs are very minute compared to other associated costs and does not equal cost to own. What about maintenance, mileage towing, longevity, ownership term?
My 6.2L has averaged 15-16 MPG since I purhcased and I can get it down to 12 if I juice it enough. Doesn’t bother me and I’ll be keeping it forever.....bet you I spend much less money than most members running my one $56,000 truck to 200k miles vs others taking on a new payment every 2 years for another. Talk about blowing a dollar to save a penny. Math can be skewed any way you like.
03-09-2019, 12:49 PM
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Your math was blown out the window when you purchased a truck that gets hit with massive depreciation year 1 while you make monthly payments on a depreciating asset. Gasoline costs are very minute compared to other associated costs and does not equal cost to own. What about maintenance, mileage towing, longevity, ownership term?
My 6.2L has averaged 15-16 MPG since I purhcased and I can get it down to 12 if I juice it enough. Doesn’t bother me and I’ll be keeping it forever.....bet you I spend much less money than most members running my one $56,000 truck to 200k miles vs others taking on a new payment every 2 years for another. Talk about blowing a dollar to save a penny. Math can be skewed any way you like.
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03-09-2019, 01:27 PM
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My general opinion of the 2.7 is that it is probably the best all around 1/2 ton motor out there. If you are not obsessed with power numbers and just want a truck to do truck stuff, it does very well.
1. Most of our trucks can't tow much more that a 7000 lb travel trailer without running out of payload. The 2.7 will do really well with this much weight. Most don't' need the 11,12,13k lbs tow ratings of the 3.5 and 5.0
2. It gets better gas mileage than any 1/2 ton V8 or the 3.5 EB by a healthy margin and matches the NA v6's. Check Fuelly if you don't believe me.
3. It's only a $1000 option over the base v6 and that includes the 10 speed. Come on!
One thing the holds me up on going for the 2.7 is that you cannot get it in a screw 6.5' bed 4x4. It also used to suck that you couldnt get a lot of options with the 2.7 Payload package but that seems to have gone away. I wouldn't buy an F150 without the 36 gallon tank.
GM's 2.7 is looking pretty good too. A 4x4 crew cab just managed 24 mpg highway, hand calculated, at 70mph on TFL truck.
1. Most of our trucks can't tow much more that a 7000 lb travel trailer without running out of payload. The 2.7 will do really well with this much weight. Most don't' need the 11,12,13k lbs tow ratings of the 3.5 and 5.0
2. It gets better gas mileage than any 1/2 ton V8 or the 3.5 EB by a healthy margin and matches the NA v6's. Check Fuelly if you don't believe me.
3. It's only a $1000 option over the base v6 and that includes the 10 speed. Come on!
One thing the holds me up on going for the 2.7 is that you cannot get it in a screw 6.5' bed 4x4. It also used to suck that you couldnt get a lot of options with the 2.7 Payload package but that seems to have gone away. I wouldn't buy an F150 without the 36 gallon tank.
GM's 2.7 is looking pretty good too. A 4x4 crew cab just managed 24 mpg highway, hand calculated, at 70mph on TFL truck.
That GM 2.7 only got 3.7mpg towing up the Ike and it was running 1 -1.5k higher RPMs than Fords 2.7. Fords 2015 2.7 eco 6 speed did better and they kept going over the speed limit with it. I think Mr. Truck was having fun.
I Would love to see a side by side towing and non towing comparison of the two 2019 2.7 liter trucks for a more accurate comparison.
After all the issues with my last 2 GMs I will stick with Ford. My Wife's last 2 Fords have each been trouble free for 10 years and I love my 2016 2.7 eco F150.
03-09-2019, 01:40 PM
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things like short commute, temperature and your right foot make a BIG difference with all turbo motors. I average about 13 mpg in winter if all I do is drive to work and back 2 one way mile drive. They eat gas when you drive them cold. This same truck gets 24 mpg highway at 70 mph and averages 19 once the weather warms up even with my short commute. Higher when we drive it around more for hikes and photography.
03-09-2019, 01:54 PM
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Ah, so this is what we are doing again this weekend, lol.
First, its 2 mpg according to Fuelly, which is a healthy +10% margin for the engines we are talking about. Fuel is nearly as important in-terms of bottom-line cost as is the cost to buy the vehicle in the first place. The good thing about math is that it's true whether you believe it or not.
First, its 2 mpg according to Fuelly, which is a healthy +10% margin for the engines we are talking about. Fuel is nearly as important in-terms of bottom-line cost as is the cost to buy the vehicle in the first place. The good thing about math is that it's true whether you believe it or not.
Verified by your buddy's at TFL.
03-09-2019, 02:22 PM
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I had a 01 5.4 2V with 198K, a 07 F150 5.4 3V with 168K and a 07 Expedition 5.4 3V with 135K and absolutely no issues. Sure, the timing system isn't ideal, but mine were flawless. Of course. I changed my oil/filter every 3K and took care of them. So many people neglect them, then bitch.
I only have 33k on my 15 Lariat 5.0 and so far the engine and transmission has been solid and smooth. No complaints. Just my personal belief, won't know how reliable until 150k plus. From everything I've read it's hard to knock any of the Eco's or the 5.0 (exception appears to be the 18 model year). As said, find the ending that fit's your need.
03-09-2019, 02:28 PM
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Yea I guess. That 2 mpg difference you claim would cost me a whole $6 - $8 a month depending on gas price (currently 1.97 so $6). I will go with the more powerful better towing 2.7 V6 twin turbo. And have the added advantage of higher towing MPG. Verified by your buddy's at TFL.
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