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Old 12-12-2018, 01:45 PM
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I always wondered how accurate the oil life indicator was. Regardless of the percentage, I'm changing my motorcraft semi-syn every 5000 miles. And why not, I get free oil changes for the life of the truck from the dealer.
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Old 12-12-2018, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by idrive
Reasonably boring around hear so why not another oil thread?

This one is not about oil... mostly. Not about brand or weight or such but about changing the oil. My reminder light is on.

I put at most around 4-5K miles on my truck a year. The Intelligent Oil Life monitor is telling me upon start up (until I press "OK") to "change your engine oil soon". So in other words regardless of how many miles are on the oil it is considered no longer worthy and should be changed.

I guess I'm curious what most do/think that are in my situation with their oil changing. I know that our IOLM-Oil Guru/know-it-all does not change his at one year when he hasn't hit 10K miles even though preaching the IOLM is all anyone needs to know or do when it comes to changing your oil. What are your thoughts? Oil automatically goes bad at the end of a year? Wait for a specific amount of miles regardless of time? Should the type of oil, semi - full synthetic matter? I'm assuming most don't use dino oil anymore...

I use a full syn oil and a MC filter. Looking at the dipstick this morning it hasn't moved from when I changed the oil a year a go. Looks good as well. looking at it on the dipstick one would think there was 1K miles on the oil not 4K+.

Believe it or not this is not meant to be oil war thread, I'm interested in opinions and facts of one year oil that has not reached it's 10K service. Yes, coming from years of 3K mile dino oil change intervals I will be replacing the oil. I would change it around 5K if were to get there before the year was up.
At least in my case, I never go longer than 6 months on a fill. I also don't put that many miles on the oil during that time. I use MC Full-Synthetic 5W20...and will never let the oil go more than 5K. When the oil comes out it's typically not very dark...and that's okay with me. I'm fine spending more on oil if it keeps the engine in good shape, longer. As you know, at least in my case, it hasn't made a difference, there's still premature wear on my 5.0. That being said, in every other vehicle I've owned including one with well over 300,000 miles (my commuter), I've followed the same regimen with good results. I just switched out the valve cover gasket on my commuter the other day because there was a leak in the spark plug tube, and the valves and everything under the cover looked like it had just left the factory (hardly any varnish even). It still runs like a top. Using a high quality full synthetic at regular oil change intervals does make a difference in terms of varnish and deposits over time. In other words, I wouldn't be too concerned with changing your oil too often. There's no harm in it other than the money spent and if done consistently can actually help extend the life of your engine.
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Old 12-12-2018, 02:19 PM
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One thing the OLM isn't monitoring...........how much fuel is in your oil. It can't make assumptions about how well your engine seals and I'd be shocked if it included DI data as a parameter.
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Old 12-12-2018, 02:48 PM
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The one thing you should never do under warranty is go longer than the maximum recommended, which is already a very high 10K miles. And neither over the time limit, which is a very reasonable 1 year, whichever comes first. And finally, never get a grade lower than recommended, like xx/20. Anyway, a good full synthetic oil can go longer than a year, but unless you have very few miles, I wouldn't do it, even out of warranty, for all the reasons mentioned above. Just because oil doesn't look dark, means it's still good. And the same is true if dark; it's not necessarily bad. The critical factors are fuel dilution and the additive package. especially the ability to neutralize acids (depleted quicker with short trips). Viscosity also breaks down quicker on turbo cars, which are a lot harder on oil than NA engines, for obvious reasons. Especially for that reason, and the fact our engines only hold 6 qts, I'm going to change it every 5K miles because I know it's best for the engine, even though I don't plan to keep the truck forever, and it might not be necessary to do, but I like to take good care of my vehicles . And since I do my own oil changes, it's cheap. Plus I can check everything around, and clean everything around, which I like to do too.
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Old 12-12-2018, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by southern_f150
I’m about to put 6k miles on my truck and I didn’t get any notice on my screen like change the oil soon or anything else. The salesman told me that it would tell me when it’s time to change but I don’t want to mess up the engine so I’m having it changed tomorrow. No telling how much longer it was going to be.
mine usually goes about 8000-8500 before telling me i need to change.
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Old 12-13-2018, 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by icecoldak
Im at about a week from a year with my new truck, changed oil to Penzoil Ultra Plat at 2K (now at 8K)---and my OLM is at 4% left and has not burned a Drop!! Time for some fresh oil---
If the OLM was reset when you changed at 2K, 6K miles will rarely set off the OLM telling you you're at 0%. At 8K total miles and at 4% left I'd (almost) bet the OLM wasn't reset. At 365 days the OLM will automatically tell you to "change engine oil soon" regardless of milage.

Originally Posted by D2Abbott
Generally, vehicles that see very little miles are driven only short trips. This can lead to condensation (water) inside the engine as it isn't heated up adequately or frequently enough to evaporate this moisture out. A sound reason to change the oil regardless of miles.
Completely agree. It does get some short trips but it is my tow vehicle and does get some good workouts.

Originally Posted by tvsjr
And yes, some of the additives are volatile and do break down with time, so oil does magically "go bad" at some point.
You're driving a $40K+ truck... dumping the oil once a year doesn't exactly sound like a big deal to me.
Another good reason I would never go longer than one year regardless of mileage. Being an old school - change the oil every 3K guy it's anything but a big deal. If I were to hit 5K miles before the year was up it would be getting changed before the one year triggers it.

Originally Posted by David Jones
How does the truck accumulate those miles. Short trips? Long trips?
It's possible that the level on the stick hasn't changed because of fuel dilution. Any oil used is replaced by fuel.
I'd suggest sending a sample to Amsoil...Oil Analyzers....and let them check it. Their service can accurately check for fuel dilution among other things. Do that and from now on you'll know whether to dump the oil after a year.
As mentioned, it gets both. Agree as well that although the oil level has not changed that doesn't mean it isn't "using" any oil as there could be fuel dilution making up the difference. I am going to send a sample in to Blackstone. Regardless of the results I will never go past the one year OC.

Originally Posted by southern_f150
I’m about to put 6k miles on my truck and I didn’t get any notice on my screen like change the oil soon or anything else. The salesman told me that it would tell me when it’s time to change but I don’t want to mess up the engine so I’m having it changed tomorrow. No telling how much longer it was going to be.
Rarely will 6K miles trigger the OLM. Unless you've gone 365 days it's not going to trip until 10K miles or one year if you're not working the engine much harder than average, whatever that is....

Originally Posted by FallGuy44
I always wondered how accurate the oil life indicator was. Regardless of the percentage, I'm changing my motorcraft semi-syn every 5000 miles. And why not, I get free oil changes for the life of the truck from the dealer.
I've wondered about dealers doing the free oil change allowing you to do it every 5K (or whatever you prefer) rather than only changing when the OLM tells you to. Kind of surprised they pay at every 5K rather than just when told to by the OLM.

Originally Posted by lawndart
One thing the OLM isn't monitoring...........how much fuel is in your oil. It can't make assumptions about how well your engine seals and I'd be shocked if it included DI data as a parameter.
I fully agree. Along with what oil you're using, Dino - Semi - Full Syn.

Originally Posted by SCrewYou
mine usually goes about 8000-8500 before telling me i need to change.
I would assume you're doing some towing, perhaps a bunch of short trips, could be a bit hotter where you are to trigger the OLM before 10K miles.

For me.. the OLM is nothing short of a reminder. There are too many things going on for this to be that "Intelligent". Pennzoil ULTRA Platinum for me. Oil is changed at 5K or one year, whichever hits first. First year of ownership was the only time I hit 5K miles before one year of operation. Regardless of mileage I don't understand why you wouldn't change it at one year. I believe the OA is going to show the oil breaking down, headed towards becoming caustic. We'll have an answer soon.
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Only made it to 4k with the last oil change before the OLM alert went off. Lots of short driving trips and the time.
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condensation in the oil also makes it acidic which will gradually eat away at bearing surfaces. 5k or one year oil changes is a good rule to follow if you plan on keeping your truck for a long time.
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Originally Posted by rngtrtl
condensation in the oil also makes it acidic which will gradually eat away at bearing surfaces. 5k or one year oil changes is a good rule to follow if you plan on keeping your truck for a long time.
+1. I have never been a fan of the 10K oil change. I think there are just too many circumstances where the oil will be toast much sooner than that. If you want to go this long, I would suggest a catch can or something to keep the amount of condensation/volatiles in the crankcase at a minimum. Also, if you drive a lot of short trips, take it on a longer trip once in a while so it burns off anything diluting your oil.
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Old 12-13-2018, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SCrewYou
mine usually goes about 8000-8500 before telling me i need to change.
Gotcha, Like I said I didn’t know how much longer it was going to be and I started to get a little worried so I got it done just to be on the safe side.


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