Topic Sponsor
2015 - 2020 Ford F150 General discussion on the 13th generation Ford F150 truck.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Worksport

Any Difference Using Higher Octane on 3.5L?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 8, 2020 | 03:22 PM
  #11  
icecoldak's Avatar
5 Year Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 2,456
Likes: 789
From: Anchorage, AK
Default

AND--use a Top tier gas, look up what stations are identified, they use More cleaners than the general crappy stations! I had to throw that in the mix lol-
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2020 | 04:27 PM
  #12  
Rustyd's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Sep 2018
Posts: 81
Likes: 16
Default

I did run some 91 through mine, yes fuel mileage was better, but for the cost difference, didn't feel it was worth it. Even when towing my car trailer....didn't notice a difference.
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2020 | 05:38 PM
  #13  
Hctr154's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 614
Likes: 196
From: Conroe Tx
Default

My '15 XLT with 2.7 seems to get slightly better mpg with 93 octane. Now that it is cheap, why not?

Maybe 1.0 to 1.5 mpg better. From a steady 20 to 21.5 depending on how fast the trip is.
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2020 | 05:57 PM
  #14  
Livernois Motorsports's Avatar
F150 Forum
 
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,049
Likes: 547
From: Dearborn Heights, MI
Default

The ecoboost trucks are premium fuel suggested right from the factory for the best results with performance and mileage as mentioned in the owners manuals typically as well. Turbocharged engines need premium fuel to make a decent amount of power and MPG without struggling. It's been said they lose roughly 12-15% of Ford's advertised horsepower on the chassis dyno when using 87 octane since it sees a significant amount of knock and retards timing / boost under hard acceleration especially.

The stock figures for HP and torque are obtained on 91 plus octane premium fuels since that is what the engine was really intended to run factory. You can run 87 sure, but it's going to cause the engine to not make all the power and fuel efficiency Ford has designed these marvelous engines to provide. Tuned trucks it's even more important since they make about twice the amount of performance improvements on a 91 or 93 octane required tune when compared to an 87 tune which is mostly drivability and transmission improved type of ca since we cannot add a significant amount of engine performance through areas such as timing and boost without having the premium fuel needed to support these type of changes. So l always suggest stepping up to premium as does Ford when owner's are looking to get the best results possible from these direct injection turbocharged engines.
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2020 | 06:04 PM
  #15  
acdii's Avatar
5 Year Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 13,851
Likes: 2,739
Default

Originally Posted by Captain_Ron
I'm surprised that these turbo charged engines don't require a higher octane. My Benz has a V-6 3.0L Bi-Turbo and minimum octane is 91.


That is because the programming is done with a minimum octane of 91. The Ecoboost is design to run on 87, and programmed to run on 87, but has sensors to advance the timing as needed when higher octane fuel is used. Since Premium was down to $1.99 by me I filled up with it, and within a few miles of driving noticed the engine smoothed out and felt more aggressive. The manual suggests higher octane when towing or hauling, and for better performance, but does not require it for average driving. Ford knew what they were doing with the Ecoboosts, and kept it so that they can all run on regular grade fuel.
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2020 | 06:12 PM
  #16  
SpencerPJ's Avatar
5 Year Member
5 Year Member
Community Builder
Liked
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Feb 2020
Posts: 4,114
Likes: 2,254
Default

I know top tier has better additives, I wonder if running a can of Seafoam, or Lucas, or? a few times a year would help with the cleaning of the valves?
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2020 | 06:22 PM
  #17  
Livernois Motorsports's Avatar
F150 Forum
 
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,049
Likes: 547
From: Dearborn Heights, MI
Default

Originally Posted by SpencerPJ
I know top tier has better additives, I wonder if running a can of Seafoam, or Lucas, or? a few times a year would help with the cleaning of the valves?
Definitely want to be cautious with adding your own fuel additives on these Turbo DI engines since they are a bit more sensitive than the traditional N/A Ford v6 power-plants from years back. The manuals usually tell you not to run any cleaners or octane boosters with threats of voiding warranty for certain stuff such as additives containing MMT / DDT, but those are more of an octane booster type of chemical. I've had a few friends that work as Ford dealer technicians that say Chevron Techron is one of the only additives they would suggest to E.B. customers, but I"m not sure which exact version. And I've read some horror stories on here and other places where additives caused them to begin smoking like a chimney from the exhaust. I always suggest to our customers to check in with their local dealer / service writer before running any additives just to be on the safe side.
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2020 | 06:56 PM
  #18  
16IngotFX4's Avatar
has left the building
 
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 9,647
Likes: 3,421
Default

Fuel treatments won't clean valves if motor is direct injected.
And how come Ford suggests top tier fuels in tier DI motors -what are they trying to clean besides the fuel line?

And where is the popcorn icon because we're in another octane thread and it's only Wednesday.
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2020 | 07:21 PM
  #19  
Wicked ace's Avatar
5 Year Member
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 2,446
Likes: 846
From: Southeast PA
Default

That is because European countries only have two octane grades 95 and 98. These ratings are a bit of a misnomer because the means to measure octane is different than in the USA. If the gasoline was graded using American methodology they would be 91 and 93 octane. European manufacturers build and tune to the gas available at home and the rest of the world has to bend to them. So ythey are tuning to the lower octane available.

Originally Posted by Captain_Ron
I'm surprised that these turbo charged engines don't require a higher octane. My Benz has a V-6 3.0L Bi-Turbo and minimum octane is 91.


Reply
Old Apr 8, 2020 | 08:01 PM
  #20  
mikeinatlanta's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Dec 2017
Posts: 3,269
Likes: 1,359
Default

What I don't get is that we have so many threads about octane and yet so few seem concerned about their motor being rated for max 15% ethanol (except 5.0 owners) when many pumps dispense E20.
Reply



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:49 AM.