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Old 01-09-2017, 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by lutter5-0
Constantly evolving means creating new part numbers constantly, whats wrong with designing something, perfecting it, then not change it? A lot easier to maintain something when 10 years use the same parts, or scrounging a junk yard for something. R&D brings added cost to you the consumer.
This is a terrible attitude to have.

Why don't we all revert to horse and carriage? That worked just fine, huh?
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Agreed, not saying the small diesel will tow better than the ecoboost. I do believe it'll get much better mileage towing than the eb (or any gas engine). Hence I don't see the appeal unless you tow really often and want to get decent mileage towing. I can't see buying it for fuel mileage only, if it's priced like the ecodiesel. Seems like you'd be better off with the 2.7 there. Mileage is not quite as good probably, but the upfront cost is a lot less.
Even with better mileage, you have to add the cost of DEF, assuming that Ford uses it to control particulates. Considering that, and guessing that the diesel will cost more than the 3.5L EB, the mileage gap between diesel and gas has to be even greater.
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Even with better mileage, you have to add the cost of DEF, assuming that Ford uses it to control particulates. Considering that, and guessing that the diesel will cost more than the 3.5L EB, the mileage gap between diesel and gas has to be even greater.
Would 30 mpg be a big enough gap?
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Originally Posted by E. Manuel
Would 30 mpg be a big enough gap?
Barely.
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Originally Posted by lucky644
This is a terrible attitude to have.

Why don't we all revert to horse and carriage? That worked just fine, huh?
The point being made was clearly over your head if you are trying to equate the horse and carriage to what was said.
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Originally Posted by Brand
The point being made was clearly over your head if you are trying to equate the horse and carriage to what was said.
And its also clear that you arent understanding his point either-sometimes innovation means that what is wanted now doesnt mirror what will be wanted in the future. Or, to qoute Henry Ford-

“If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.”

This has been a debate since the beginning of time for humans-and progress has always won.
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I wouldn't touch this engine with a 10 foot pole. It will have problems, hopefully they will not be too serious.
Are you a prophet? Can you predict lottery numbers too?
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I think it's a good reply to Ram eco-diesel, my only concern is how much it will cost, here in Canada eco ram is between 4-6k more costly than a hemi depending which version u take. So I hope it will be cheaper
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Diesel good if:
-You tow or haul heavy almost daily
-You drive very long distances weekly (2+ hour trips)
-You plan to keep it for a very long (10+ years) time (In order for the extra costs to pay off)
- ^ OR You know you'll be racking up hundreds of thousands of hard miles within a few years.
-You run a fleet

Bad if:
-It's your daily driver
-You're going to use it to run to the store often and make short trips
-You live in very cold climate (ages to warm up, doesn't like to start)
-You don't want your hands smelling like diesel for the day when you fill up
-You care about paying a ton more to get the diesel engine
-You care about paying A LOT more for maintenance and oil changes/filters
-You care about paying extra for DEF

If you fall under both of those categories or don't plan to keep it long enough for the extra costs to pay off, get a 250 or 350. I think too many people want the diesel just because they think it's all advantages.
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Originally Posted by BlackBoost
Diesel good if:
-You tow or haul heavy almost daily
-You drive very long distances weekly (2+ hour trips)
-You plan to keep it for a very long (10+ years) time (In order for the extra costs to pay off)
- ^ OR You know you'll be racking up hundreds of thousands of hard miles within a few years.
-You run a fleet

Bad if:
-It's your daily driver
-You're going to use it to run to the store often and make short trips
-You live in very cold climate (ages to warm up, doesn't like to start)
-You don't want your hands smelling like diesel for the day when you fill up
-You care about paying a ton more to get the diesel engine
-You care about paying A LOT more for maintenance and oil changes/filters
-You care about paying extra for DEF

If you fall under both of those categories or don't plan to keep it long enough for the extra costs to pay off, get a 250 or 350. I think too many people want the diesel just because they think it's all advantages.
That is why the 2.7 is a great option. However, the gas mileage could be better. Hopefully the 10 speed can give it more. In todays world people buy trucks to get groceries, go on trips, and occasionally use it for its intended purpose. People will like the diesel because they will see the MPG, but not factor in the cost to get that options and all the maintenance and how finecky, they can be. The 2.7 will be the best bet, as long as the turbos hold out. It has not been around that long to prove is longevity yet.



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