2015 2.7 Ecoboost problem Help!
03-31-2017, 10:05 AM
#11
Senior Member
Doug, thanks for the info on the scan equipment. I at least have some understanding of what I'm up against. I'm so aggravated that I'm tempted to replace the plugs myself, and maybe the coil packs at the same time. I've did it on a 4.6 Triton, so I'm guessing this engine would be similar. Interestingly enough, my old 4.6 Triton had a similar problem, [with no malfunction indicator light !] going up hills at about 90,000 miles on the original spark plugs. I replaced the plugs with Motorcraft platinum, and also the coil boots... never had another problem.
In the marine industry, we also battle problems with platinum tip plugs malfunctioning. As you stated you rarely can see a bad one with the naked eye.
Here's another thought I've had.... what about RFI interference from a defective plug or maybe a coil pack ? I wonder how shielded the engine computer is to combat this ? The reason I ask this question is that we deal with these issues on marine engines quite often.
What I don't understand here, is that after all of these month's of battling this problem, multiple calls to Ford Customer Service, and multiple trips to the dealer, why won't Ford just replace the spark plugs, coil packs, boots, etc. and just be done with it? In my industry, most manufacturers would have already done just that, and thus made the customer happy. I appreciate all of the replies to this thread ! I've got more help here than anywhere else thus far.
In the marine industry, we also battle problems with platinum tip plugs malfunctioning. As you stated you rarely can see a bad one with the naked eye.
Here's another thought I've had.... what about RFI interference from a defective plug or maybe a coil pack ? I wonder how shielded the engine computer is to combat this ? The reason I ask this question is that we deal with these issues on marine engines quite often.
What I don't understand here, is that after all of these month's of battling this problem, multiple calls to Ford Customer Service, and multiple trips to the dealer, why won't Ford just replace the spark plugs, coil packs, boots, etc. and just be done with it? In my industry, most manufacturers would have already done just that, and thus made the customer happy. I appreciate all of the replies to this thread ! I've got more help here than anywhere else thus far.
Mitchell calls for 1.4 hours labor. I'm not at work until Monday so can't check Alldata until then. At 1.4 hours of labor at an average of $100 per hour you would be looking at $600+- to replace all plugs and coils. If you had over 100k on it then maybe but at 20k I too would be reluctant to ask my customer to spend this on an educated guess.
And for the record, this will be much, much easier then it was on a 4.6/5.4 F150!
04-01-2017, 06:40 PM
#13
I just stopped by my local dealer yesterday. they have agreed to have me drive the truck while they are plugged in to the diagnostic port to see what they can find. Hopefully the truck will decide to act up.... I'm considering actually towing my Sea Ray boat during the test drive, LOL, as towing usually makes the problem worse. This seems pretty absurd to have to tow a big boat behind your new truck, while running diagnostics, in hopes that it will make the driveability problem worse ! I'm at the point of doing whatever it takes to get the job done. The dealer said they cannot just replace coil packs and spark plugs, without proving to Ford that they are in fact, defective. Meanwhile the customer gets stuck with the misery and stress of fighting to get it fixed. I'm really glad that i did not purchase the ''extended warranty'', because the bumper to bumper warranty that I still have seems to be of no use anyway. I'll get off my soap box now ! tThanks to all who have replied. I'll keep you posted ! BTW, I'll ask them if they have the Mode 6 data capability with their scan equipment.
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04-01-2017, 06:51 PM
#14
Senior Member
I just stopped by my local dealer yesterday. they have agreed to have me drive the truck while they are plugged in to the diagnostic port to see what they can find. Hopefully the truck will decide to act up.... I'm considering actually towing my Sea Ray boat during the test drive, LOL, as towing usually makes the problem worse. This seems pretty absurd to have to tow a big boat behind your new truck, while running diagnostics, in hopes that it will make the driveability problem worse ! I'm at the point of doing whatever it takes to get the job done. The dealer said they cannot just replace coil packs and spark plugs, without proving to Ford that they are in fact, defective. Meanwhile the customer gets stuck with the misery and stress of fighting to get it fixed. I'm really glad that i did not purchase the ''extended warranty'', because the bumper to bumper warranty that I still have seems to be of no use anyway. I'll get off my soap box now ! tThanks to all who have replied. I'll keep you posted ! BTW, I'll ask them if they have the Mode 6 data capability with their scan equipment.
04-01-2017, 10:58 PM
#15
Senior Member
Had a custermer bring in his very poorly running car. Tracked it down to the very clogged o2 sensor. Asked him where he bought fuel from. His answer was "where ever it was the cheapest" you get what you pay for.
04-02-2017, 07:45 AM
#16
Senior Member
because the fuel for the "cheap" station comes from...the same place the "expensive" fuel comes from
04-02-2017, 08:06 AM
#17
Of course then you throw Ethanol in to all of this for even more problems ! But that's a whole different subject...
04-02-2017, 10:02 AM
#18
Senior Member
I've watched the same fuel truck hit the local convenience store and the brand name stations one after the other.
04-02-2017, 03:21 PM
#19
Senior Member
Oil companies don't usually deliver their own products, instead choosing to utilize a distributor. I would assume that this applies to fuel as well.
As far as gas quality is concerned, it's the additive packages that vary from brand to brand. The oil is refined to a specific octane and then additives and cleaning agents are added depending on the brand. The government has a minimum requirement which some manufactures do not feel is good enough. That's how Top Tier came about.
Now, are you going to destroy your injectors and dirty your valves if you use inferior gas? Maybe not. The only manufacture recommendation I've seen is for the octane rating. Furthermore, there are manufactures that don't seem to EVER suffer from fuel related problems. So..........
For me? A few cents per gallon or $1 per fuel up is worth the security (peace of mind really).
Cheers,
Doug