2.7 Timing cover/chain?
08-15-2016, 11:38 AM
#1
2.7 Timing cover/chain?
Let me start by apologizing for the length of this post. I was originally over at powerstroke.org, but, they're not very gasser oriented. Imagine that. 
So, we recently purchased a 2015 F150 S Crew 4x4 with the 2.7 to add to our fleet of powerstrokes. In March at 5k miles I brought it into our shop for the first service. I was surprised to see oil on the front of the motor and soaked into the skid shield. We brought it to the dealer and after two days they stated that whoever had changed the oil must have spilled it. I told them that it hadn't had an oil change yet and to find the leak. After a few more days they said the timing cover was leaking and that they needed to order the proper gaskets. They then informed me that they were on backorder and were unsure of when they would come in. This first conundrum took approx. 3 weeks until we had our truck back. Fast forward to May at 12k miles our driver called and said "the truck shut off and would not refire" After picking it up with our tow truck and bringing it back to our shop I found that not only didn't it start but it was a slow noisy crank too. I then dropped it off at the dealer. After a lot of diag and phone calls back and forth they stated that the timing chain had broken and that they were putting a short block in the truck. I tried to tell them that due to their being a failure and their being turbos and other oil sensitive items on the engine we didn't want the truck back unless we were getting a long block. After their higher ups talked to my higher ups it was decided that we were getting a short block. Then the time issues started. Promise date after promise date came and went because of "unforseen issues after tear down" Fast forward something like 40 days and we get our truck back. Needless to say the first thing I did was put it on the lift and inspect the work. Everything was clean and dry, but stupid things like harnesses not being pressed back into holding sprues, the pcm harness was routed incorrectly and the air box not being attached properly worried me. I fixed all the little concerns and put the vehicle back into service hoping that was it. Well today was the first service since the big motor job and guess what? Oil all over the timing cover.
So, we recently purchased a 2015 F150 S Crew 4x4 with the 2.7 to add to our fleet of powerstrokes. In March at 5k miles I brought it into our shop for the first service. I was surprised to see oil on the front of the motor and soaked into the skid shield. We brought it to the dealer and after two days they stated that whoever had changed the oil must have spilled it. I told them that it hadn't had an oil change yet and to find the leak. After a few more days they said the timing cover was leaking and that they needed to order the proper gaskets. They then informed me that they were on backorder and were unsure of when they would come in. This first conundrum took approx. 3 weeks until we had our truck back. Fast forward to May at 12k miles our driver called and said "the truck shut off and would not refire" After picking it up with our tow truck and bringing it back to our shop I found that not only didn't it start but it was a slow noisy crank too. I then dropped it off at the dealer. After a lot of diag and phone calls back and forth they stated that the timing chain had broken and that they were putting a short block in the truck. I tried to tell them that due to their being a failure and their being turbos and other oil sensitive items on the engine we didn't want the truck back unless we were getting a long block. After their higher ups talked to my higher ups it was decided that we were getting a short block. Then the time issues started. Promise date after promise date came and went because of "unforseen issues after tear down" Fast forward something like 40 days and we get our truck back. Needless to say the first thing I did was put it on the lift and inspect the work. Everything was clean and dry, but stupid things like harnesses not being pressed back into holding sprues, the pcm harness was routed incorrectly and the air box not being attached properly worried me. I fixed all the little concerns and put the vehicle back into service hoping that was it. Well today was the first service since the big motor job and guess what? Oil all over the timing cover.
08-15-2016, 01:37 PM
#2
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Let me start by apologizing for the length of this post. I was originally over at powerstroke.org, but, they're not very gasser oriented. Imagine that. So, we recently purchased a 2015 F150 S Crew 4x4 with the 2.7 to add to our fleet of powerstrokes. In March at 5k miles I brought it into our shop for the first service. I was surprised to see oil on the front of the motor and soaked into the skid shield. We brought it to the dealer and after two days they stated that whoever had changed the oil must have spilled it. I told them that it hadn't had an oil change yet and to find the leak. After a few more days they said the timing cover was leaking and that they needed to order the proper gaskets. They then informed me that they were on backorder and were unsure of when they would come in. This first conundrum took approx. 3 weeks until we had our truck back. Fast forward to May at 12k miles our driver called and said "the truck shut off and would not refire" After picking it up with our tow truck and bringing it back to our shop I found that not only didn't it start but it was a slow noisy crank too. I then dropped it off at the dealer. After a lot of diag and phone calls back and forth they stated that the timing chain had broken and that they were putting a short block in the truck. I tried to tell them that due to their being a failure and their being turbos and other oil sensitive items on the engine we didn't want the truck back unless we were getting a long block. After their higher ups talked to my higher ups it was decided that we were getting a short block. Then the time issues started. Promise date after promise date came and went because of "unforseen issues after tear down" Fast forward something like 40 days and we get our truck back. Needless to say the first thing I did was put it on the lift and inspect the work. Everything was clean and dry, but stupid things like harnesses not being pressed back into holding sprues, the pcm harness was routed incorrectly and the air box not being attached properly worried me. I fixed all the little concerns and put the vehicle back into service hoping that was it. Well today was the first service since the big motor job and guess what? Oil all over the timing cover.
So, we recently purchased a 2015 F150 S Crew 4x4 with the 2.7 to add to our fleet of powerstrokes. In March at 5k miles I brought it into our shop for the first service. I was surprised to see oil on the front of the motor and soaked into the skid shield. We brought it to the dealer and after two days they stated that whoever had changed the oil must have spilled it. I told them that it hadn't had an oil change yet and to find the leak. After a few more days they said the timing cover was leaking and that they needed to order the proper gaskets. They then informed me that they were on backorder and were unsure of when they would come in. This first conundrum took approx. 3 weeks until we had our truck back. Fast forward to May at 12k miles our driver called and said "the truck shut off and would not refire" After picking it up with our tow truck and bringing it back to our shop I found that not only didn't it start but it was a slow noisy crank too. I then dropped it off at the dealer. After a lot of diag and phone calls back and forth they stated that the timing chain had broken and that they were putting a short block in the truck. I tried to tell them that due to their being a failure and their being turbos and other oil sensitive items on the engine we didn't want the truck back unless we were getting a long block. After their higher ups talked to my higher ups it was decided that we were getting a short block. Then the time issues started. Promise date after promise date came and went because of "unforseen issues after tear down" Fast forward something like 40 days and we get our truck back. Needless to say the first thing I did was put it on the lift and inspect the work. Everything was clean and dry, but stupid things like harnesses not being pressed back into holding sprues, the pcm harness was routed incorrectly and the air box not being attached properly worried me. I fixed all the little concerns and put the vehicle back into service hoping that was it. Well today was the first service since the big motor job and guess what? Oil all over the timing cover.My opinion, lemon law it. It's not a representation of what that engine is.
08-15-2016, 02:09 PM
#3
Thanks Rexey, it gives me a little confidence about this truck. I have seen a few lengthy posts about oil leaks but none that were super involved. Pans, sending units and the occasional turbo oil tube. Ours does seem to be an anomoly. I'm really hoping this is the last time. As a side note, I was told that commercial vehicles are NOT eligible for lemon law. I don't know this for a fact and have not looked at that option as of yet. Ill keep everyone posted.
08-15-2016, 08:56 PM
#4
Senior Member
I would probably be finding a new dealer.....doesn't sound like this was handled, or repaired, with any competency.
08-18-2016, 11:20 AM
#6
Well, we got our truck back. The dealer stated that the oil psi sensor was leaking and that they tightened it. I did inspect it and everything is clean. Here's my question. From what I've seen in threads about an oil leak, that were found to be the oil pressure sensor, the sensor has been loose. From the mileage that this issue is being seen at, one would assume that it was not tightened at the factory. Our truck has had a short block, cylinder heads, etc. etc. installed and the sensor was loose. Are they backing out? Is their a oil pressure sensor fairy going around and loosening these things? Will the true culprit rear its ugly head again at the next service? Check back next week on the days of our lives...
10-04-2016, 10:57 AM
#7
So the truck was back in service and about 2k miles after returning from the dealer the oil change required light came on. I instantly thought oil leak, after checking the level and seeing it was ok, I put it up for a service and everything looked ok. WHEW! Well 2k miles after that service the oil change required light comes on again. Now I know there's a "perform oil change soon" and then a "required" message. In these two instances it has gone directly to "required". So, I get it on the lift and sure enough there's an oily mess. This time it looks to be the oil pan gasket which seems to be just rtv? Not sure on that. Well back to the dealer. They clean it and put dye in it and told us to drive it and come back in a week. That's currently where we're at. Figured I'd keep you guys updated.
I did check the psi sensor this time and it is clean and dry. No oil is up that high.
I did check the psi sensor this time and it is clean and dry. No oil is up that high.
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11-17-2016, 09:20 AM
#8
UPDATE: After the dye, the vehicle went back and they found the oil pan gasket to be the culprit, which I did confirm to be only rtv. 6 days later it was ready for pickup. Receipt states they removed and resealed the oil pan. After we picked up the vehicle I double checked their work and everything looked to be OK. 2 weeks and 3k miles later I put it up in the air and found oil leaking at the pan gasket. We contacted our case worker once again and they seemed dumbfounded that this hasn't been taken care of. Imagine that. We made arrangements to bring it back in on the 30th and they stated that a "high priority rep." would be there to speak with us about our concerns and to consult with the service manager and technician. When we arrived for drop off, no one at the dealership had any idea of a "high priority rep." being there. Also, they were very busy and couldn't take our truck in till possibly that afternoon. Mind you we got there as they opened. We did arrange to drop it off the next day and that a "tech. specialist" would be available by phone/email to address the dealerships concerns (not ours) The following day we got a call from our case worker stating that the oil pan must be warped and that they were going to replace it. The vehicle stayed there until the 9th. We picked it up and I sent it directly back into service. After an inspection this A.M. I find out that the 4wd did not work after the repair and there is oil leaking from the oil pan gasket and what looks to be the drivers side valve cover around the coils. I also have oil seeping from the CAC hoses. I then briefly looked into the 4wd issue and found two harnesses not pressed onto the studs and resting on the passenger down pipe. This last issue seems to be technician fault, but, everything else? This is insane.
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12-29-2016, 09:01 AM
#10
<-KJP-> I only just saw that you had posted a video. I guess my work computer doesn't allow linking because I only see it on the phone. HMM, 10qts. This would make sense since I know you're supposed to wait 20+ minutes before checking the level. Obviously I've been monitoring the oil level and have always checked it either cold or after a while. I have never seen it too high but that's not to say it wasn't overfilled and then drained before being returned to us. I'd go out and check it now, but, it's back at the dealership.
Update from my last post. It turned out to be a rear main "seal". Which is not really a seal but more like a plate. Either way this was already installed on the short block that was replaced, so most likely not technician error. The 4WD inop was in fact the harness melted to the down pipe. They replaced the harness and assured us the vehicle was gone over so that "nothing like this will happen again". We were then offered either a premium care ESP or a powertrain ESP. We told them we wanted to make sure that the problem was fixed before committing to any type of warranty. It was a good thing to because after driving it for only a day (about 150 miles) it developed another leak. This time at the timing cover. There's now so much dye in this motor that I can pinpoint these leaks, photograph them with the UV light and e-mail them to my service writer, service manager, dealership general manager and Ford rep. before going to the dealership. I wonder if when they repair it this time, will the timing chain mysteriously "break" again?
Update from my last post. It turned out to be a rear main "seal". Which is not really a seal but more like a plate. Either way this was already installed on the short block that was replaced, so most likely not technician error. The 4WD inop was in fact the harness melted to the down pipe. They replaced the harness and assured us the vehicle was gone over so that "nothing like this will happen again". We were then offered either a premium care ESP or a powertrain ESP. We told them we wanted to make sure that the problem was fixed before committing to any type of warranty. It was a good thing to because after driving it for only a day (about 150 miles) it developed another leak. This time at the timing cover. There's now so much dye in this motor that I can pinpoint these leaks, photograph them with the UV light and e-mail them to my service writer, service manager, dealership general manager and Ford rep. before going to the dealership. I wonder if when they repair it this time, will the timing chain mysteriously "break" again?