Is the 10R80 fatally flawed?
10-13-2018, 11:45 AM
#101
I find mine shifts a whole lot better in "S" mode. Regular drive I think the shiftpoints are too low and are the cause of the clunky shifting. I am about to take mine in for the seatbelt recall and will have them perform the trans remapping service bulletin hopefully that will help. I can live with the crappy shifting but my concern is longevity I would think all that clunking shortens component life.
10-13-2018, 12:21 PM
#102
10-13-2018, 05:20 PM
#105
Believe me I have tried every possible combination to make this transmission shift better. In Sport or Tow it upsifts better, more intuitive and less shifting just to shiff. It holds the gears longer. Unfortunately sometimes it holds the gears waaay too long and just puts the motor in a high RPM when it should have upshifted already. But the real issue is with downshifts. In those two mode it has harsh clunky down shifts. Very unpleasant to use. I am pretty convinced this is not so much a faulty transmission as it is bad programming along with a transmission that wasn’t really designed to be crisp. Not to harp on the Porsche’s, but if you have never driven a Porsche automatic, esp the newer ones they shift unbelievably nice. Yes I know they are twin clutch and super expensive, but my point is that a good shifting transmission can be built. (Yes I own a Porsche and yes I like it, a Diesel Cayennes). You cannot manually shift a Porsche auto Trans better than it can shift itself. It thinks, it knows what gear to be in. Up down, low speed high speed, they have engineered and programmed it right. Again, though Apples and Oranges. Two different vehicles two different markets, the point was how it can be done. At least better than what Ford currently has. I have spoken w guys that have bought some of the software programs out that remap the engine and trans and it sounds like that makes a huge difference, but I don’t want to go down that road and void the warranty. Tho I may do it in the end.
My friend has a ZL1 camaro and it has the 10 speed that I thought was the same as what we have as Ford and GM designed the tranny together. That car shifts great. It even rev matches like a charm silky smooth.
10-13-2018, 05:31 PM
#106
Well said. I have owned everything Acuras. Audis, Toyota Trucks, Ford Trucks, Chevy Trucks, Mustangs, etc. This 2018 F150 5.0 w/ 3.73 rear end is the worst shift vehicle I have ever driven, other than vehicles with their tranny going out. Very clunky downshifts and jerky upshifts. I have never driven the new mustangs w/ 10 speeds. I wonder how those are ding.
My friend has a ZL1 camaro and it has the 10 speed that I thought was the same as what we have as Ford and GM designed the tranny together. That car shifts great. It even rev matches like a charm silky smooth.
My friend has a ZL1 camaro and it has the 10 speed that I thought was the same as what we have as Ford and GM designed the tranny together. That car shifts great. It even rev matches like a charm silky smooth.
10-13-2018, 08:40 PM
#107
Senior Member
There's a thread on this forum that has some very interesting info on the tranny.
10-13-2018, 09:21 PM
#108
The 10 speed co-development with GM was mainly GM writing a check to cover their share of the cost. The 10 speed is a Ford transmission but GM has the right to manufacturer it and Ford and GM are free to develop their own software to operate it. In return Ford was to get the 9 speed front wheel drive transmission GM was developing. However, this transmission is not meeting the promised fuel efficiency gains GM promised so Ford has elected not to use it. They decided that they will manufacturer a version of the 9 speed with one less gear.
The new 10 speed is a good transmission but like any new powertrain there will be bugs to work out in the first few years. The 6R80 (ZF transmission licensed to Ford) it replaced is probably one of the best transmissions to come out of FOMOCO. The Super Duty 6R140 Torqshift 6 speed is based off it's design. But in it's first several years there were failures of the mechatronic unit and harsh 1-2 shifts but very few transmission failures. Ford made changes and it's now very reliable. The 10-speed is going through the same teething phase.
Personally I think if it wasn't for the increased need to increase fuel economy Ford would still be using the 6R80 transmission. Super Duties aren't subject to CAFE requirements and they still use the 6R140 Torqshift and there seems to be no sign Ford is coming out with a new one.
The new 10 speed is a good transmission but like any new powertrain there will be bugs to work out in the first few years. The 6R80 (ZF transmission licensed to Ford) it replaced is probably one of the best transmissions to come out of FOMOCO. The Super Duty 6R140 Torqshift 6 speed is based off it's design. But in it's first several years there were failures of the mechatronic unit and harsh 1-2 shifts but very few transmission failures. Ford made changes and it's now very reliable. The 10-speed is going through the same teething phase.
Personally I think if it wasn't for the increased need to increase fuel economy Ford would still be using the 6R80 transmission. Super Duties aren't subject to CAFE requirements and they still use the 6R140 Torqshift and there seems to be no sign Ford is coming out with a new one.
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10-13-2018, 11:14 PM
#109
The 10 speed co-development with GM was mainly GM writing a check to cover their share of the cost. The 10 speed is a Ford transmission but GM has the right to manufacturer it and Ford and GM are free to develop their own software to operate it. In return Ford was to get the 9 speed front wheel drive transmission GM was developing. However, this transmission is not meeting the promised fuel efficiency gains GM promised so Ford has elected not to use it. They decided that they will manufacturer a version of the 9 speed with one less gear.
The new 10 speed is a good transmission but like any new powertrain there will be bugs to work out in the first few years. The 6R80 (ZF transmission licensed to Ford) it replaced is probably one of the best transmissions to come out of FOMOCO. The Super Duty 6R140 Torqshift 6 speed is based off it's design. But in it's first several years there were failures of the mechatronic unit and harsh 1-2 shifts but very few transmission failures. Ford made changes and it's now very reliable. The 10-speed is going through the same teething phase.
Personally I think if it wasn't for the increased need to increase fuel economy Ford would still be using the 6R80 transmission. Super Duties aren't subject to CAFE requirements and they still use the 6R140 Torqshift and there seems to be no sign Ford is coming out with a new one.
The new 10 speed is a good transmission but like any new powertrain there will be bugs to work out in the first few years. The 6R80 (ZF transmission licensed to Ford) it replaced is probably one of the best transmissions to come out of FOMOCO. The Super Duty 6R140 Torqshift 6 speed is based off it's design. But in it's first several years there were failures of the mechatronic unit and harsh 1-2 shifts but very few transmission failures. Ford made changes and it's now very reliable. The 10-speed is going through the same teething phase.
Personally I think if it wasn't for the increased need to increase fuel economy Ford would still be using the 6R80 transmission. Super Duties aren't subject to CAFE requirements and they still use the 6R140 Torqshift and there seems to be no sign Ford is coming out with a new one.
10-14-2018, 11:08 AM
#110
Senior Member
Not making light of your perceived problems, but it isn't a design flaw in the transmission. Mine, along with hundreds of thousands of other's, is pretty damn nice! My truck shifts both up and down thru the gear set quickly and smoothly with no surging or balking. Now, whether your definition and my definition of "smooth" are similar may be at issue. The new process trannys are certainly NOT as smooth as the old slush-box automatics, primarily because of more positive torque convertor/lockup algorithms and a higher pressure valve body--all in the name of better performance with lower fuel consumption. I happen to like it. Your opinion may differ.