Lean condition and timing issue
I have a 2005 f350 with the 5.4L 3v triton. Codes: P2195(B1 stuck lean), P2197(B2 stuck lean), P0011(B1 cam over-advanced), P0022(B2 cam over-retarded). The cam phasers went out and I replaced them. It threw codes for timing and I ended up putting in a new timing kit and oil pump because I thought I skipped a tooth. During this process I was trying to be careful and keep things from falling into the oil pan, so I placed a paper towel to catch any screws or dirt. Ended up closing it up in there and started it. Still kicking my self for it. Dropped the oil pan. Redid the timing and double checked for paper towels. Cleaned the oil pump(could be the problem but it was new, maybe I should order a stronger one). New oil and filter. Starts up fine but after 5min the engine runs rough. It has new o2 sensors so I checked the live data to see why it might throw lean codes. The short term fuel trim starts at 0% then climbs to 42.2% then the computer kicks it back down to 0%. Long term is always 0%. If I rev to about 2500rpm stft is 7-10%. The computer must be sensing something wrong. MAF seems to be working, but I gave it a clean anyways. Couldn’t detect any vacuum leaks. Tried spraying water, carb cleaner, map gas to see if rpm changed, but no luck. I thought maybe there were small oil passages that may have been clogged, so I put a cleaner in the oil in hopes of clearing something. No significant change. Instead of redoing the timing because I’m paranoid that I missed a tooth (even though I double checked and took pictures), I’m thinking there’s something else that I’m missing that could cause this.
New parts: air filter, spark plucks, coil packs, O2 sensors, cam phasers, vct solenoids, timing chains, rails, rail tensioners.
spark:good, no misfire
air: not sure what normal is from the maf, but I don’t suspect it out of limits.
fuel: 275kPa read by obdii at the rail.
I suspect that the extreme lean conditions are causing the timing issues, but what might be causing the lean condition?
Injectors? I also have problems with filling the tank with gas. Pump shuts off quickly. I read that could be clogged charcoal canister. Possible fuel filter clogged or fuel pump is weak.
I plan on hooking up an external oil pressure gauge to see if it’s low.
New parts: air filter, spark plucks, coil packs, O2 sensors, cam phasers, vct solenoids, timing chains, rails, rail tensioners.
spark:good, no misfire
air: not sure what normal is from the maf, but I don’t suspect it out of limits.
fuel: 275kPa read by obdii at the rail.
I suspect that the extreme lean conditions are causing the timing issues, but what might be causing the lean condition?
Injectors? I also have problems with filling the tank with gas. Pump shuts off quickly. I read that could be clogged charcoal canister. Possible fuel filter clogged or fuel pump is weak.
I plan on hooking up an external oil pressure gauge to see if it’s low.
I realize thus is lo g overdue and you have probably given up by now.
Just curious.
Did you use all Ford OEM internal parts?
That makes a big difference in performance. I am in the middle of a complete Timing set replacement, just waiting on 2 guides to complete the set. Everything except the 2 chain guides are OEM. I'm concerned as it was a guide that was broken in 3 pieces when I pulled the front cover..
Lean conditions have many contributors. Vacuum, fuel and timing are all major players in messing with the lean and rich conditions.
Best way to test vacuum is with smoke. Smoke will find the tiniest leak and quickly solve your vacuum leak issue.
Testing fuel requires an onboard diagnostic system that can read the necessary PID's for fuel.it will also test each injector for leak down and electronic response.
Timing also is best diagnosed with dealer software. For timing we would need to check the VCTadverror for both banks, also monitor the MAF sensor, and a couple others that ha e slipped my mind.
Good luck and I hope your 5.4 purrs as she should.
Just curious.
Did you use all Ford OEM internal parts?
That makes a big difference in performance. I am in the middle of a complete Timing set replacement, just waiting on 2 guides to complete the set. Everything except the 2 chain guides are OEM. I'm concerned as it was a guide that was broken in 3 pieces when I pulled the front cover..
Lean conditions have many contributors. Vacuum, fuel and timing are all major players in messing with the lean and rich conditions.
Best way to test vacuum is with smoke. Smoke will find the tiniest leak and quickly solve your vacuum leak issue.
Testing fuel requires an onboard diagnostic system that can read the necessary PID's for fuel.it will also test each injector for leak down and electronic response.
Timing also is best diagnosed with dealer software. For timing we would need to check the VCTadverror for both banks, also monitor the MAF sensor, and a couple others that ha e slipped my mind.
Good luck and I hope your 5.4 purrs as she should.

