More Ignition Problems
I finally got around to purchasing a Haynes Repair Manual today. Here are my findings from the resistance tests... The primary ignition coil was .4 ohms which is in spec. The secondary coil resistance was 2.686K ohm which is well below the 8K to 11.5K suggested values. So possibility #1 is the coil. The second test on the PIP Stator showed a constant 7.4 VAC as well as the SPOUT which was 7.4 VAC also. Both within spec. The last test was on the TIF module itself. All of the readings were well within limits except for the last one which was PIP Pwr to PIP In with a reading of 761 ohms. The listed range was between 900 ohms and 1500 ohms. I tested the old TFI module that did not exhibit the startup then stall symptom and it to was around 761 ohms. So my next question is would a bad ignition coil cause these symtoms?
Edit: I found resistance values at http://www.therangerstation.com/tech...iagnostic.html and the PIP Pwr to PIP In resistance was rated less than 2000 ohms. Mine is 761 ohms so that supports my assumption (I know it's not good to assume) that my new TFI module is ok.
Edit: I found resistance values at http://www.therangerstation.com/tech...iagnostic.html and the PIP Pwr to PIP In resistance was rated less than 2000 ohms. Mine is 761 ohms so that supports my assumption (I know it's not good to assume) that my new TFI module is ok.
I haven't had a chance to swap out the coil but the truck is running much better. It hasn't been a week yet but no stalling so far. My second theory and logic of why the truck was stalling is as follows. The truck ran great until the TFI died. I replaced it and the idle was a little rough but I didn't think much of it. The outside air temp at the time was relatively high. The truck started stalling on a cold damp morning which made me pull out the distributor and attempt to install a new pickup coil. When I failed and reinstalled the distributor the truck ran and idled a little better but still stalled when cold and damp. When I ran the tests in the Haynes manual all of the tests were grounding to the distributor itself as well as a test of continuity between the distributor and the block. Since I had to take the distributor out for some of the test I cleaned off all of the dirt/oil and wire wheeled the tab that holds the distributor in place. My thoughts are that the coefficient of thermal expansion of the two metals allowed the distributor to shrink when the temps dropped. There wasn't sufficient enough ground so the truck would idle rough and die. Since the distributor expands more than the iron block, the ground was restored shortly after the engine warmed up. Now the clamp provides constant ground and the dielectric grease will keep moisture at bay. It's just a thought... I'll keep you informed if the truck stalls or continues to run great. 
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Well if it sounds too good to be true it probably is... Not even ten minutes after typing this I went to start the truck and it stalled again. It took 20 seconds of cranking before it finally kicked off again... Bummer, looks like I'm buying a coil today!
Edit:
Well if it sounds too good to be true it probably is... Not even ten minutes after typing this I went to start the truck and it stalled again. It took 20 seconds of cranking before it finally kicked off again... Bummer, looks like I'm buying a coil today!
Last edited by rossmatt06; Oct 28, 2009 at 07:56 AM.
I haven't had a chance to swap out the coil but the truck is running much better. It hasn't been a week yet but no stalling so far. My second theory and logic of why the truck was stalling is as follows. The truck ran great until the TFI died. I replaced it and the idle was a little rough but I didn't think much of it. The outside air temp at the time was relatively high. The truck started stalling on a cold damp morning which made me pull out the distributor and attempt to install a new pickup coil. When I failed and reinstalled the distributor the truck ran and idled a little better but still stalled when cold and damp. When I ran the tests in the Haynes manual all of the tests were grounding to the distributor itself as well as a test of continuity between the distributor and the block. Since I had to take the distributor out for some of the test I cleaned off all of the dirt/oil and wire wheeled the tab that holds the distributor in place. My thoughts are that the coefficient of thermal expansion of the two metals allowed the distributor to shrink when the temps dropped. There wasn't sufficient enough ground so the truck would idle rough and die. Since the distributor expands more than the iron block, the ground was restored shortly after the engine warmed up. Now the clamp provides constant ground and the dielectric grease will keep moisture at bay. It's just a thought... I'll keep you informed if the truck stalls or continues to run great. 
Edit:
Well if it sounds too good to be true it probably is... Not even ten minutes after typing this I went to start the truck and it stalled again. It took 20 seconds of cranking before it finally kicked off again... Bummer, looks like I'm buying a coil today!
Edit:
Well if it sounds too good to be true it probably is... Not even ten minutes after typing this I went to start the truck and it stalled again. It took 20 seconds of cranking before it finally kicked off again... Bummer, looks like I'm buying a coil today!
I don't want to jinks it but I found a know issue on a Ford TSB. It stated that higher octane fuels can cause the engine to run in a lead mode which causes my symptoms. The solution is to run out the higher octane fuel and refuel with 87 octane per the manufacuters specs. I should have thought about that seeing as how the issues started shortly after switching from 87 to 89 octane... We'll see if it makes a difference...
I don't think that little difference in octane would shut the truck down. Unless you're already running way lean to begin with. Totally different vehicle type, but I had a camry that the coil went bad on. It died in traffic a few times during a week long period, replaced the cap and rotor button and that seemed to help for a day or so, then it completely died and wouldn't start again. Towed it to a shop and they replaced the entire distributor, that wasn't it. Turned out to be the ignition coil, and that sounds very similar to what's happening to you.
I don't want to jinks it but I found a know issue on a Ford TSB. It stated that higher octane fuels can cause the engine to run in a lead mode which causes my symptoms. The solution is to run out the higher octane fuel and refuel with 87 octane per the manufacuters specs. I should have thought about that seeing as how the issues started shortly after switching from 87 to 89 octane... We'll see if it makes a difference...

Last edited by ymeski56; Oct 30, 2009 at 10:04 PM.
I had a very similar prob just yesterday with my 89 5.8. Drove it to town to help move a friend an after we were all done loadin it wouldn't start...no spark. Went and bought a new coil thinking that might be it, an it fired up. Got to the other place got done unloading and went to leave....dead again, no spark. Put a new ignition module on and haven't had a prob since. It is possible you got a bad module. I had just recently put a diff module in mine. Worth a try.
Jay


