Kytann

Looks like that just brings the overload spring into play earlier.
Same thing as the spring clamp does really. I am guessing you have it on the rear? That should transfer force to the overload spring when the spring tries to go into an S shape. Normally the rear of the spring pulls away from the Overload, so it doesn't do anything on the rear. The front naturally pushes closer.

Bumpstops on the front and a clamp on the rear should help.

When I was younger and dumber I removed my overload springs. I was trying to get a little more wheel travel for rock crawling, and didn't haul anything heavier than camping equipment, so I saw no need for the overload. I promptly broke those springs within a month due to axle wrap. That was an interesting lesson in what axle wrap is.

bubbajack80

Subscribed. Great info guys!!!

PRNDL

Great info guys. Thank you. I know this has all been discussed and so on. I'm just trying to stumble on some good cost effective ideas. Feel free to chime in with ideas like reaper and kutann did.

I just installed my next step. I got this from the tundra and titan guys. It requires the mounting of two "under leaf helper springs". Per the instructions they are supposed to be attached to the bottom of the spring behind the axle. However, the trick is to mount them in front of the axle facing forward. I purchased them from advanced auto parts for only 31 dollars. They are made for springs no wider than 2.5 inches and came with spring clamps that are only 2.5 inches wide. Well, i just used my 3 inch wide springs that i mentioned at the beginning of this thread and they fit perfectly!!!! The act just like a traction bar. It did not lift my ride hight. The rear feel a tiny bit stiffer, but it handles so much better. My wheel hop is gone!!!!

PRNDL

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MPETE

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so if I put those bumpstops on my overload leafs and then carry a significant amount of weight, is it going to damage my stock leaf springs?

the same question goes for installing those helper springs on the front of the leaf pack.

PRNDL

I don't really know. It was mentioned above by another person that clamps will eventually bend the spring. It was also mentioned that the bump stop method makes the overload spring contact the regular springs sooner.

In my opinion, based on what i can see. I don't see how the clamps alone can cause the springs to bend. I thing the bump stops may help but maybe under heavy heavy loads, there may be some premature bending of the springs due to the overload spring engaging sooner. However, under normal driving, i don't see an issue. As far as the under leaf helpers go, when i mounted them they use only one clamp per spring. They are not pre loaded. They simple keep the axle pinion from looking up if that makes sense. There is a way to pre load them with the included buttons, but I didn't.

Kytann

Well, all of the force is going to be transmitted though the bump stop instead of the entire area of the overload. What exact effect that has I cannot say, as I do not have any experience. However you can easily remove the bumpstops before hauling a heavy load if it's a rare thing.

Since all of these products effectively stiffen the rear springs, you guys could also consider other options that add spring rate. Like add-a leafs. Those are pretty inexpensive. Or the Deaver Mini-Leaf packs to replace your rear block. Or just full on replacement rear springs. Will a leaf spring pack from an F-250 fit? If so, those are just a junkyard away.

PRNDL

Very good point. After all my cheap fixes. I am going to remove it all ad do a simple add a leaf kit. Starting with these. The are made by Helwig, but are only available via JC Whitney. They are advertised as "traction control springs". They are 100 dollars.

Kytann

Actually I meant something like this

http://www.suspensionconnection.com/...FYYWMgodUHEA0Q



Use this, to stiffen the rear suspension. Take out the lift block that's in there, because lift blocks only make axle wrap worse. And you're about the same ride height, but less axle wrap.

Kytann

Actually, I'm gonna highlight this. Remove your rear lift block, as LIFT BLOCKS EXACERBATE AXLE WRAP.

Sorry for shouting, but it's something that is not ever mentioned on this site, even though alot of us complain about axle wrap.

They do this because they increase the effective lever arm of the forces that cause axle wrap when they are acting on the spring. The shorter the block, the less axle wrap even with no other changes.

That is, if it's a 4x4. Since all of the factory 4x4s come with lift blocks.

Good luck