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Old 05-12-2019, 11:54 PM
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So after spending several weeks stalking threads and slowly piecing together a system in my mind, here's what I'm thinking:

DSP:
- Audio control DQ61 to allow line conversion and eq plus a few other nifty things

Amps:
- JL XD 400/4 4 channel to run speakers

- DB drive Okur a3 1550.1 to run subs

---*** also a possibility of selling my xd400/4 and swapping with a local guy plus some cash on my end for his RD900/5 (that way I'll only need to run 1 amp for everything)

Speakers:
- still trying to decide on speakers, want to go component on the front and a coax in the rear, but found a great deal on some JL c2 coax 6x9's for the front... torn on that. Otherwise, leaning toward focal components.

-have a pair of kicker 6.5" coax speakers to use as rear fill for now until I decide to do something different.

Subs:
- 2 JL audio TW1-4 wired down to 2 ohm load. I have 4 in the box I currently have, but don't have a need for that much bass... (aka if your looking for some TW1's hmu )

---*** also found a deal on a custom box built by MTI with a JL TW5 in it that fits behind the rear seat... also torn... can't justify getting it when I have a perfectly good box with perfectly good JL's in it... reason I'm interested is I wanted to conserve as much floor space as possible for travelling. Was set on a behind the seat box but part of me is concerned about the re-usability should I need to sell the current truck for whatever reason.

Wiring:
- using speedwire to run inputs and outputs from and back to headunit (should be delivered tomorrow so I'll post some progress pics)

-4 guage for the xd400 (per JL's recommendation) (also in the mail, should be in tomorrow) - if I get the RD900/5 the 4 guage will still be sufficient (again according to JL)



Anything y'all can think of that I'm overlooking? Not trying to break the bank with this setup (already did that a few years back with my old truck), but want a nice, clear sound.
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The DQ61 doesn't hold a candle to any of today's DSP's. Save yourself $100.00 and buy the Dayton 408. It will blow the DQ61 out the water.

Pick up the FOR-11CK harness.

Components in the front always. Never coax. Regardless of how good the deal is.

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Unfortunately I already have the DQ61 in my arsenal, along with everything else listed with the exception of the RD900/5 and door speakers. Also something that I'm always a little nervous of is the longevity of these new digital DSP's in terms of software. I figured as new processors come out over the next few years,the software for the old models will become outdated and stop receiving updates. With the DQ61 at least everything is mechanical.
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Unfortunately I already have the DQ61 in my arsenal, along with everything else listed with the exception of the RD900/5 and door speakers. Also something that I'm always a little nervous of is the longevity of these new digital DSP's in terms of software. I figured as new processors come out over the next few years,the software for the old models will become outdated and stop receiving updates. With the DQ61 at least everything is mechanical.
my DQ61 is sitting in my back seat pouch .. it has done its best performance sitting there after i got my Dayton .. i know everyone is tired of my posting my DQ61 vs Dayton review but if you want .. i will post it again

i bought my DQ61 because i read where mechanical is better than electronic .. my DQ was giving me weird issues and i figured Dayton was cheap enough let me try it and boy.. man it blows away the dq
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Most of the companies software is used across their entire DSP line, so if they update it in one spot, it gets updated usually across the board. Now that doesn't mean you will get all of the new options the newer dsp's will utilize with their software, but you at least get the usability updates. If you mean firmware/hardware, well that is different, but then your DQ61 is outdated comparatively.


Also most are pretty useable in their current form so any updates do not really impact most people.
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Yikes. Feels like alot of displeasure with the DQ61. For now, I'm going to put it in just so that I can get the system up and running. Jdunk yeah I'm nervous about the outdating of firmware a few years down the line. I play bass and guitar and even in that world programmable pedals and modules become outdated and buggy within a few years when companies put out fresh products and start updating the programs to work with new lines. Nervous it's the same way with these DSP's. And I know comparatively the DQ61 is old, but analog ***** can't but broken with firmware updates at least

Idk. Later on as this build progresses I'll look into updating it, but I'll use what I got for now as a placeholder.


As far as the RD900/5, that fell through unfortunately. The guy I was going to get it from reneged on a price we came to and turned out to be a butthead... no worries. I'm about to head to Montana for the summer and found a few good deals on RD900/5's and alpine X-A90v's along the way up near Dallas and Denver, So i'll be making a few pit stops on my drive this weekend...

I keep going back to wanting to get the custom box behind the seat (I'll post a pic below) and wanting to run a 5 channel just so everything is behind the seat. The db amp is pretty large and with it, the xd400 and the DSP on an amp rack on the back wall, the behind the seat box definitely won't fit. #thestruggleisreal

This is a pic from the listing the guy posted btw. Not my pic. Not in my possession... yet...

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That's a nice enclosure
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Originally Posted by Benpo97
Yikes. Feels like alot of displeasure with the DQ61. For now, I'm going to put it in just so that I can get the system up and running. Jdunk yeah I'm nervous about the outdating of firmware a few years down the line. I play bass and guitar and even in that world programmable pedals and modules become outdated and buggy within a few years when companies put out fresh products and start updating the programs to work with new lines. Nervous it's the same way with these DSP's. And I know comparatively the DQ61 is old, but analog ***** can't but broken with firmware updates at least

Idk. Later on as this build progresses I'll look into updating it, but I'll use what I got for now as a placeholder.


As far as the RD900/5, that fell through unfortunately. The guy I was going to get it from reneged on a price we came to and turned out to be a butthead... no worries. I'm about to head to Montana for the summer and found a few good deals on RD900/5's and alpine X-A90v's along the way up near Dallas and Denver, So i'll be making a few pit stops on my drive this weekend...

I keep going back to wanting to get the custom box behind the seat (I'll post a pic below) and wanting to run a 5 channel just so everything is behind the seat. The db amp is pretty large and with it, the xd400 and the DSP on an amp rack on the back wall, the behind the seat box definitely won't fit. #thestruggleisreal

This is a pic from the listing the guy posted btw. Not my pic. Not in my possession... yet...

Considering the massive benefits of the Dayton compared to the DQ61, I would spend the $150.00 and go with Dayton. Its the best ROI you will ever experience. I don't think your concerns are necessary realistic. I mean that in the most respectful way. Yes, technology and hardware become outdated but that is the case with anything. At the end of the day, a DSP is just a glorified calculator. Math doesn't change. Features may change but math doesn't. You aren't going to miss out on anything. Again, it's only $150.00. Sell the DQ61 on eBay. Work smarter not harder!
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not displeasure but since you pulled my arm

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I started with an LC2i .. which is a Line ouput converter for a subwoofer .. i then decided i wanted to upgrade all my factory speakers so i bought an LC7i... I then decided i wanted a DSP to fine tune my frequencies... so being that i had 2 audiocontrol products i bought a DQ61 .. it was basically an LC7i with a DSP built in.

The DQ61 was a great improvement and i could finally hear my tweeters come alive .. i was running tweeters and front woofers off 2 of my amp channels and my rear off the other 2 channels .. the system sounded good, but i didn't like the accubass and the system guessing when to bring in bass also at times some of the channels would not work at all and i would have to turn the truck off until the DQ-61 shut off then soon as i started the truck all channels were fine. This was starting to annoy me and i remember how much DH would talk about the Dayton 408. It was only $150 so i figured it was worth the risk.

Time Alignment

basically time alignment allows you to bring the sound to your ears .. maybe not an issue for most because all your life sound has always been misaligned .. but with Time alignment its like you are sitting in the center of all speakers.. all things equal

DQ61: it was in milliseconds and you had to turn a **** that you had to turn until your ears told you that it was aligned .. really annoying
Dayton: it allows you to time align not only by time.. but also by inches.. meaning you can use a tape measure to find the distance from you to each speaker.. then key it in.

Crossover

DQ61: it had ***** for the EQ but no real crossover .. you don't even have a low pass or high pass filter
Dayton: it allows you to change the frequency by Smart Phone or by PC and you can choose the amount by Hz that you want to change per speaker.. not channel like most DSP.. it also allows you to adjust the curve and the decibel amount of the curve

Mixer

DQ61: you input is channel based
Dayton: you can change the inputs by software ..s o if your front input from the radio is channel 1 and 2 .. you can have your tweeters.. front stage and sub run off channel 1 and 2 .. you can have all run off 1 and 2 .. you can have 1 speaker run off 1 input .. full autonomy .. you can also link channels together so you don't have to set values for both channels like say for your sub

Volume Control

DQ61: you control the volume per channel
Dayton: you control the volume per speaker

EQ

DQ61: EQ is determined by the preset **** frequencies .. what they give you is what you get
Dayton: its a 10 band EQ per Speaker and you can set your own frequencies to how detailed you want to get .. for example you can do for your Sub 20/30/40/50/60/70/80 .. or if you feel like it you could do 10/15/20/50/60 .. just to let you know how flexible it is and the same goes ofr your tweeter EQ .. front stage.. rear.. etc..

The Dayton also allows you to set values on the PC then upload it via USB to the unit later on

I know if i miss anything or incorrect DH will let me know .. but in conclusion the Dayton is amazing .. i told DH it should be $1500 not $150 for what it does



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