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The FT (Ford Truck) engine family was offered in large trucks only. The FT block was cast from higher-grade alloys than the FE series engines. These blocks featured thicker main-bearing caps and webs than standard FE engines. The FT block used the standard FE oiling system and used hydraulic lifters. Four-bolt engine mounts were used on FT blocks. These blocks shared same exterior dimensions and bell housing pattern as the FE series block. 1964-78 FT blocks had bosses for cross-bolted mains partially cast from 427 molds. All FT blocks had a hole (right side) near center of block for an air-compressor oil drain. This was for vehicles equipped with air brakes. Most FT blocks had a mirror image of 105 stamped where you would normally see 352 found on the FE blocks. FT blocks shared the same 4.05" bore with the 390 FE.


FT/FE Parts Interchangeability

FT full-sump oil pan and special pickup, which works great on 2WD F100-350 or lifted 4x4s.

About the only things that are directly interchangeable are the connecting rods, lifters, rocker arm assemblies, pushrods, valve covers and oil pan. The steel timing chain cover and water pumps are different and won't interchange.
The rods, though they may have the truck number forged into it, are the same as 390/410/428 car rods, and are thus very desirable for econo-performance builds. 4-ring pistons use short connecting rods, 3-ring engines use long rods (later engines).
361s got the same block as the 391. The 391 prizes are the block, crank, and rods. The 361 only offers a block, and for high-winding maniacs - the sturdiest factory FE crank of all (used in Holman-Moody prepared 396FEs which oft times beat Petty in his 426 Hemi-powered monsters).

Block

The FT blocks are heavy-duty units and are virtually identical to the FE except that the distributor pilot hole is larger to allow for the 5/16" hex oil pump driveshaft. This means you'd have to install a bronze bushing in order to use a standard distributor with the 1/4" oil pump drive shaft, but there are bushings readily available (from Ford or the aftermarket). It's easy enough to do if you're doing other machine work on the block. You might also need to install a plug where the air compressor (for the air brakes) drains into the block. (The drain is low on the right side near the center of the block skirt.)
There is a very good chance the 361/391 FT block has the heavy cylinders which allow eventual boring to 428 numbers (including 428 +.060 overbores, sonic check for core shift permitting), though some FTs have been found with standard cylinder blocks that cannot handle the big overbore. You can do the Drill Bit Test to check the cylinder wall spacing and verify that a block can handle the overbore, as not every 361/391 block got the heavy cylinder jackets. The 330FT engine generally bores out to make a great 390 block, but it cannot be heavily overbored like most of the 361 and 391 blocks.
Another way of approximating cylinder wall thickness is to measure the block's cylinder wall thickness at the front of block's larger deck water jacket opening with a pair of outside (pincher-style) calipers . Use a Sharpie to mark the caliper's adjuster nut and then count the turns it takes you to get the caliper out of the block. Then spin the adjuster nut backward the same number of revolutions until it's adjusted back to where is was when it measured in the block. Then a quick comparison check with a micrometer and you're pretty close to knowing the actual size (+/- 0.002"-0.005").

Block markings

Ribs on the block only means it was cast after 1971, nothing more. The "C" or "CX", etc, on the back of the block is also period-specific, as is the "428" marking on the floor of the FT in the water jacket. Same with 427 text markings or crossbolt nubs.
The term "105" replaced the former term "352" as the standard FE casting mark in about 1973. At this time, casting of the FE block had approximately ceased at DIF and CF, and was almost completely taken up by Ford's all new foundry, MCC.
The "105" simply means it was cast at MCC (Ford's Michigan Casting Center). Thes does NOT indicate it has heavy cylinder walls, but it probably does have reinforced main bulkheads, since by 1973 most all FEs would only see pickup truck duty, and none would see the easier duty of cars.
There are some "105" blocks which have the heavier cylinder jackets commonly found with 361FT/391/406/428 blocks, but they are very much in the minority, and are most often found in Series 500 trucks and larger.

Cylinder Heads

The FT heads have the exhaust crossover setup completely different from FE units. (If you take the exhaust manifold off there will be 5 holes instead of 4.) The FT heads have 10 exhaust manifold bolts per head, whereas a car or light-duty truck engine has 8 exhaust manifold bolts per head. These heads are small-valve low-compression units that are unique to the FT series.

Intake/Exhaust Manifolds

The FT intake manifold will fit an FE, but you'd have to plug the FE cylinder head's exhaust crossover passages because they don't come close to lining up. It's debatable on whether it's worth the effort. There ARE 4V FT manifolds out there and that might be easier. But it depends on the thermostat arrangement your manifold has, since some (many?) of the FTs had a dual setup.
That exhaust crossover on the FT heads doesn't go into a port. Deleting it would be fairly easy and that will allow any FE intake to be used. It feeds straight through the head from extra holes in the center of the exhaust manifold, so if you have headers that passage is open and you only need to plug it at the intake manifold face to keep oil from leaking out or dirty air getting into the crankcase.
The distributor mounting hole in the intake manifold is the same size and location as an FE unit.
The exhaust manifolds are a ram's-horn design that will physically bolt up to an FE, but they contain an exhaust crossover port which would have to be welded shut to use on an FE engine. However, you might run into a side clearance problem when trying to use these on a smaller vehicle, since they angle out quite a bit.

Crankshaft

FT's have a forged steel crank with a 1-3/4" crank snout, while passenger car and light-duty truck FE's have a 1-3/8" snout, and therefore used a different balancer and pulley setup. (The dampers of the 361/391 will be counterweighted.) On a 391 crankshaft the first two counterweights (closest to the snout) will be in line with each other; if they are offset from each other about an inch, it's a 330HD-361. The 330MD wont have the large crank snout, and it wont be steel; 330HD and 361 engines will, and have a full-circle rear flange with no indexing notches or half-moon cutouts.
If trying to identify a crankshaft that's already removed, set it on it's rear flange and look down at the #1& #2 journals. If it looks like 'Mickey Mouse ears' or a hat it's a 361. If the 2nd, 3rd, & 4th journal is rounded or smooth, it's a 391.
The 391 crank is actually .002" longer in stroke than the 390/406/427 crank. The 390/406/427 is a 3.784" stroke +/- .004" tolerance. The 391 is 3.786" stroke +/- .004" tolerance. When rounded, the the 390/406/427 is sometimes shown to be 3.78" stroke and the 391 is sometimes shown to be 3.79". It's best, however, to carry strokes to three decimal places. Some references erroneously claim the 390/406/427 is a 3.781" stroke, but that is because they mistakenly assumed the stroke was based on 32nds of an inch increments.
To use the FT crankshaft in an FE block, the FT crankshaft's snout will need to be turned down to fit the standard FE timing cover that that you will need to use for your application. In addition, the crankshaft snout will need to be shortened, as some (or all) were longer to accommodate industrial accessory drives like air compressors for air brakes. After the end of the crankshaft is cut, you'll need to redrill the balancer bolt hole and cut a new keyway.
The rear of the FT crank is also different...the pilot hole is larger, as is the area to support the flywheel. Both require custom machining to be happy with passenger car applications. The flywheel centering flange is too tall and will need to be shortened. If you are going to use an automatic you need to have a reducing ring machined so the converter will fit in the end of the crank.
Be sure and have the assembly balanced as it may take heavy metal to come in.

NOTE: The FT flange info comes from a Ford Industrial Power Products manual. The FE info comes from the factory 374cid NASCAR crank blueprint of 1966-67 which is based on the 3.300" stroke 332FE crank of 1958-59. The 374 and 354 NASCAR FEs of the mid 1960s allowed running less weight in the cars. The 396FE was a very successful 426 Hemi killer, and was based on a 427 block and 361 crank forging which was stroked to 3.514, had the rod journals widened to fit the NASCAR rod (wider bearings retain oil better under racing loads), and was crossdrilled.
While the 361-391 truck motors are externally-balanced like 410s & 428s, you can't use 428 flexplate on a 391 truck without rebalancing the whole engine. These have more counterweighting, as there were 4-ring pistons in many FT's, and they weigh more. Also, the placement of the counterweights is different for every stroke crank. You could make it work, but custom balancing is still required.
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But then, I was never a truck guy. Delved into plenty of car FEs though. So, yer sayin' the FT was common, or exclusively used inFord trucks? Could they have been in Canadian production, only?

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The FT was used in US trucks as well, maybe less common. My 390 CID that was originally in my F-100 was an FT block with FE heads/intake and 390 CID setup from factory. The block had mirror image of 105 stamped where 352 was normally stamped. These blocks are good engines but I wanted the 428 CID.
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[QUOTE=Big Cubes;2329549]The FT (Ford Truck) engine family was offered in large trucks only. The FT block was cast from higher-grade alloys than the FE series engines. These blocks featured thicker main-bearing caps and webs than standard FE engines. The FT block used the standard FE oiling system and used hydraulic lifters. Four-bolt engine mounts were used on FT blocks. These blocks shared same exterior dimensions and bell housing pattern as the FE series block. 1964-78 FT blocks had bosses for cross-bolted mains partially cast from 427 molds. All FT blocks had a hole (right side) near center of block for an air-compressor oil drain. This was for vehicles equipped with air brakes. Most FT blocks had a mirror image of 105 stamped where you would normally see 352 found on the FE blocks. FT blocks shared the same 4.05" bore with the 390 FE.


FT/FE Parts Interchangeability

FT full-sump oil pan and special pickup, which works great on 2WD F100-350 or lifted 4x4s.

About the only things that are directly interchangeable are the connecting rods, lifters, rocker arm assemblies, pushrods, valve covers and oil pan. The steel timing chain cover and water pumps are different and won't interchange.
The rods, though they may have the truck number forged into it, are the same as 390/410/428 car rods, and are thus very desirable for econo-performance builds. 4-ring pistons use short connecting rods, 3-ring engines use long rods (later engines).
361s got the same block as the 391. The 391 prizes are the block, crank, and rods. The 361 only offers a block, and for high-winding maniacs - the sturdiest factory FE crank of all (used in Holman-Moody prepared 396FEs which oft times beat Petty in his 426 Hemi-powered monsters).

Block

The FT blocks are heavy-duty units and are virtually identical to the FE except that the distributor pilot hole is larger to allow for the 5/16" hex oil pump driveshaft. This means you'd have to install a bronze bushing in order to use a standard distributor with the 1/4" oil pump drive shaft, but there are bushings readily available (from Ford or the aftermarket). It's easy enough to do if you're doing other machine work on the block. You might also need to install a plug where the air compressor (for the air brakes) drains into the block. (The drain is low on the right side near the center of the block skirt.)
There is a very good chance the 361/391 FT block has the heavy cylinders which allow eventual boring to 428 numbers (including 428 +.060 overbores, sonic check for core shift permitting), though some FTs have been found with standard cylinder blocks that cannot handle the big overbore. You can do the Drill Bit Test to check the cylinder wall spacing and verify that a block can handle the overbore, as not every 361/391 block got the heavy cylinder jackets. The 330FT engine generally bores out to make a great 390 block, but it cannot be heavily overbored like most of the 361 and 391 blocks.
Another way of approximating cylinder wall thickness is to measure the block's cylinder wall thickness at the front of block's larger deck water jacket opening with a pair of outside (pincher-style) calipers . Use a Sharpie to mark the caliper's adjuster nut and then count the turns it takes you to get the caliper out of the block. Then spin the adjuster nut backward the same number of revolutions until it's adjusted back to where is was when it measured in the block. Then a quick comparison check with a micrometer and you're pretty close to knowing the actual size (+/- 0.002"-0.005").

Block markings

Ribs on the block only means it was cast after 1971, nothing more. The "C" or "CX", etc, on the back of the block is also period-specific, as is the "428" marking on the floor of the FT in the water jacket. Same with 427 text markings or crossbolt nubs.
The term "105" replaced the former term "352" as the standard FE casting mark in about 1973. At this time, casting of the FE block had approximately ceased at DIF and CF, and was almost completely taken up by Ford's all new foundry, MCC.
The "105" simply means it was cast at MCC (Ford's Michigan Casting Center). Thes does NOT indicate it has heavy cylinder walls, but it probably does have reinforced main bulkheads, since by 1973 most all FEs would only see pickup truck duty, and none would see the easier duty of cars.
There are some "105" blocks which have the heavier cylinder jackets commonly found with 361FT/391/406/428 blocks, but they are very much in the minority, and are most often found in Series 500 trucks and larger.

Cylinder Heads

The FT heads have the exhaust crossover setup completely different from FE units. (If you take the exhaust manifold off there will be 5 holes instead of 4.) The FT heads have 10 exhaust manifold bolts per head, whereas a car or light-duty truck engine has 8 exhaust manifold bolts per head. These heads are small-valve low-compression units that are unique to the FT series.

Intake/Exhaust Manifolds

The FT intake manifold will fit an FE, but you'd have to plug the FE cylinder head's exhaust crossover passages because they don't come close to lining up. It's debatable on whether it's worth the effort. There ARE 4V FT manifolds out there and that might be easier. But it depends on the thermostat arrangement your manifold has, since some (many?) of the FTs had a dual setup.
That exhaust crossover on the FT heads doesn't go into a port. Deleting it would be fairly easy and that will allow any FE intake to be used. It feeds straight through the head from extra holes in the center of the exhaust manifold, so if you have headers that passage is open and you only need to plug it at the intake manifold face to keep oil from leaking out or dirty air getting into the crankcase.
The distributor mounting hole in the intake manifold is the same size and location as an FE unit.
The exhaust manifolds are a ram's-horn design that will physically bolt up to an FE, but they contain an exhaust crossover port which would have to be welded shut to use on an FE engine. However, you might run into a side clearance problem when trying to use these on a smaller vehicle, since they angle out quite a bit.

Crankshaft

FT's have a forged steel crank with a 1-3/4" crank snout, while passenger car and light-duty truck FE's have a 1-3/8" snout, and therefore used a different balancer and pulley setup. (The dampers of the 361/391 will be counterweighted.) On a 391 crankshaft the first two counterweights (closest to the snout) will be in line with each other; if they are offset from each other about an inch, it's a 330HD-361. The 330MD wont have the large crank snout, and it wont be steel; 330HD and 361 engines will, and have a full-circle rear flange with no indexing notches or half-moon cutouts.
If trying to identify a crankshaft that's already removed, set it on it's rear flange and look down at the #1& #2 journals. If it looks like 'Mickey Mouse ears' or a hat it's a 361. If the 2nd, 3rd, & 4th journal is rounded or smooth, it's a 391.
The 391 crank is actually .002" longer in stroke than the 390/406/427 crank. The 390/406/427 is a 3.784" stroke +/- .004" tolerance. The 391 is 3.786" stroke +/- .004" tolerance. When rounded, the the 390/406/427 is sometimes shown to be 3.78" stroke and the 391 is sometimes shown to be 3.79". It's best, however, to carry strokes to three decimal places. Some references erroneously claim the 390/406/427 is a 3.781" stroke, but that is because they mistakenly assumed the stroke was based on 32nds of an inch increments.
To use the FT crankshaft in an FE block, the FT crankshaft's snout will need to be turned down to fit the standard FE timing cover that that you will need to use for your application. In addition, the crankshaft snout will need to be shortened, as some (or all) were longer to accommodate industrial accessory drives like air compressors for air brakes. After the end of the crankshaft is cut, you'll need to redrill the balancer bolt hole and cut a new keyway.
The rear of the FT crank is also different...the pilot hole is larger, as is the area to support the flywheel. Both require custom machining to be happy with passenger car applications. The flywheel centering flange is too tall and will need to be shortened. If you are going to use an automatic you need to have a reducing ring machined so the converter will fit in the end of the crank.
Be sure and have the assembly balanced as it may take heavy metal to come in.

NOTE: The FT flange info comes from a Ford Industrial Power Products manual. The FE info comes from the factory 374cid NASCAR crank blueprint of 1966-67 which is based on the 3.300" stroke 332FE crank of 1958-59. The 374 and 354 NASCAR FEs of the mid 1960s allowed running less weight in the cars. The 396FE was a very successful 426 Hemi killer, and was based on a 427 block and 361 crank forging which was stroked to 3.514, had the rod journals widened to fit the NASCAR rod (wider bearings retain oil better under racing loads), and was crossdrilled.
While the 361-391 truck motors are externally-balanced like 410s & 428s, you can't use 428 flexplate on a 391 truck without rebalancing the whole engine. These have more counterweighting, as there were 4-ring pistons in many FT's, and they weigh more. Also, the placement of the counterweights is different for every stroke crank. You could make it work, but custom balancing is still required.[/QUO

This write up has a bunch of misinformation

The blocks are cast from the same materials as the 360/390.

They do not have bosses for crossbolted mains. They have 1 boss. it is to attach the rear sump oil pickup tube. ....



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