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10-24-2014, 09:19 PM
#111
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Again, congrats!!!
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Aquapools (10-25-2014)
10-25-2014, 10:32 AM
#112
I got to drive the 2.7L EB first. I was very glad to have had the chance to drive the 3.5L EB back to back as it made the one glaring flaw of the 2.7L more obvious. Throttle response is very laggy on the 2.7L compared to the 3.5L. No wonder they don't have ANY 5.0L on these drive events. The Ford employee told me straight out that Ford knows the V8 owners will buy them, and that they are consciously push the Ecoboost models for the 2015 launch.
The fit and finish of the body panels, interior, switch gear, and controls was top notch. I thought the leather in the Lariat felt strong, and durable, and was good quality. There are lots of cubbies and niches for all kinds of storage, I especially liked the covered slot under the center stack where the USB and SD card slots are. Perfect spot for your sunglasses. The console had a ton of volume, looks like you easily fit a 12 pack (of soda) in there.
I took a good grab on the drivers side A pillar interior handle, and am glad to report it is solid, and didn't flex at all. I'm 6'3 and over 250, so it should be adequate for everyone. The doors don't close with that solid steel thud, you have to keep your hand on the handle to close it securely, or make sure you push it fairly hard so it will latch and close completely. I pushed on the bed sides to see how much flex the aluminum had, and it felt sturdy enough for a truck, none of this paper thin beer can nonsense. The aluminum tailgate was sturdy and felt strong, but was a lot easier to open/close than steel.
The panoramic moon roof was awesome. If I got a supercrew instead of a supercab I would bite the bullet and add this option in a heartbeat. The shade is 100% power operated, not like the roll up shade in my wife's glass roof Mustang.
They had one model that had the power retractable automatic running boards, and I thought it was awesome. Clean lines when stowed, and sturdy and functional when using them. Minimal flex when I stepped on these, and I noticed they were quiet, no noticeable noise when operating.
So while the 2.7L had enough power to propel the truck along the road, to me it's obvious how Ford has designed this truck to squeeze out every last drop of fuel economy. If you know anything about fuel economy, you burn the most fuel while accelerating, and the engine is designed to do an adequate job in the acceleration department, so that once you get up to cruising speed, it can putter along burning less fuel. Once at speed, you then have to deal with how well the transmission was designed, rear end gears, aerodynamics, weight, and drivetrain losses (4x4 vs 4x2), and tires.
So to compare the 2.7L to the 3.5L, if I was forced to choose between the 2, I would reluctantly take the 2.7L because of the overall benefit of the latest and greatest engine technology. That you can get a truck capable of over 20 mpg when taking it easy in a 4x4 that can also tow and haul is amazing for a gasoline powered model. Of course they had to 'cheat' and put twin turbos on this to have the widest range of capabilities, we'll see what the long term durability of these components will be, and the out of warranty cost to owners.
I also asked that we disable the auto stop/start feature for our brief test drive. It looks like this feature will be enabled by default the way that had it setup. I would think there is a menu setting that can allow it to be disabled by default, instead of having to hit an extra button each time you drive. I really didn't notice any of the fake engine noise piped into the cabin while driving during conversation with the Ford rep. While it's a fun topic for some people, I couldn't care less, the 3.5L seemed the same, as they were both very quiet.
The ride along partner I had told me that she drove the 2.7L from Michigan to MA and had reset the trip computer before they left, and said that it was slowly rising to 21.9 mpg on the highway. It only had 1500 miles on it when they left MI, so I would guestimate that it's possible to get mid 20's for MPG when the engine is broken in, and if you keep the speed under 70. She mentioned they were traveling fairly fast, so to me that means over 70, but we all know Ford employees would never break any speed limits on public roads...
I then road tested the 3.5L Lariat, and when I asked that driver about MPG, I found out he must have been the guy that was towing the big trailer parked at the event. He didn't tell me that specifically, but you can see from my pix that it was the one truck with the adjustable height tow ball. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to put 2+2 together, especially when he said he averaged 10-12 mpg... He was also kind enough to clarify for me that they ALL run 93 octane fuel. So factor that into any mileage predictions in your neck of the woods. One last thing, he thought the EPA mileage ratings would be released in about 2 weeks, which is in November as reported by other sources.
I can't wait to drive one of these with the 380hp 5.0L, I bet it's going to feel VERY fast compared to either V6. The design benefit of the variable valve train technology seems to be amplified in the larger displacement engine, and I certainly know first hand how awesome this works already. My wife has an 11 Mustang GT, and I have a 13 Boss 302. Drive them like an old lady, you can get mid 20's no problem on the GT, about 23-23.5 on the Boss (hotter cams, intake, and 3:73 gears vs 3:31s), but stomp on the gas or lots of city driving, and your mpg will fall to the mid-high teens. I believe the current 5.0L owners when they report they can get 18-19 mpg when taking it easy in the current model, I hope we can crack that magical 20 mpg barrier with the lighter 2015 F150.
If I had to do a ton of long distance driving, I'd get the 2.7L, but I did like the feel of the 3.5L w/o the turbo lag. These test drives made me over 90% sure I want the 5.0L, and a test drive of that version will make it 100.
The fit and finish of the body panels, interior, switch gear, and controls was top notch. I thought the leather in the Lariat felt strong, and durable, and was good quality. There are lots of cubbies and niches for all kinds of storage, I especially liked the covered slot under the center stack where the USB and SD card slots are. Perfect spot for your sunglasses. The console had a ton of volume, looks like you easily fit a 12 pack (of soda) in there.
I took a good grab on the drivers side A pillar interior handle, and am glad to report it is solid, and didn't flex at all. I'm 6'3 and over 250, so it should be adequate for everyone. The doors don't close with that solid steel thud, you have to keep your hand on the handle to close it securely, or make sure you push it fairly hard so it will latch and close completely. I pushed on the bed sides to see how much flex the aluminum had, and it felt sturdy enough for a truck, none of this paper thin beer can nonsense. The aluminum tailgate was sturdy and felt strong, but was a lot easier to open/close than steel.
The panoramic moon roof was awesome. If I got a supercrew instead of a supercab I would bite the bullet and add this option in a heartbeat. The shade is 100% power operated, not like the roll up shade in my wife's glass roof Mustang.
They had one model that had the power retractable automatic running boards, and I thought it was awesome. Clean lines when stowed, and sturdy and functional when using them. Minimal flex when I stepped on these, and I noticed they were quiet, no noticeable noise when operating.
So while the 2.7L had enough power to propel the truck along the road, to me it's obvious how Ford has designed this truck to squeeze out every last drop of fuel economy. If you know anything about fuel economy, you burn the most fuel while accelerating, and the engine is designed to do an adequate job in the acceleration department, so that once you get up to cruising speed, it can putter along burning less fuel. Once at speed, you then have to deal with how well the transmission was designed, rear end gears, aerodynamics, weight, and drivetrain losses (4x4 vs 4x2), and tires.
So to compare the 2.7L to the 3.5L, if I was forced to choose between the 2, I would reluctantly take the 2.7L because of the overall benefit of the latest and greatest engine technology. That you can get a truck capable of over 20 mpg when taking it easy in a 4x4 that can also tow and haul is amazing for a gasoline powered model. Of course they had to 'cheat' and put twin turbos on this to have the widest range of capabilities, we'll see what the long term durability of these components will be, and the out of warranty cost to owners.
I also asked that we disable the auto stop/start feature for our brief test drive. It looks like this feature will be enabled by default the way that had it setup. I would think there is a menu setting that can allow it to be disabled by default, instead of having to hit an extra button each time you drive. I really didn't notice any of the fake engine noise piped into the cabin while driving during conversation with the Ford rep. While it's a fun topic for some people, I couldn't care less, the 3.5L seemed the same, as they were both very quiet.
The ride along partner I had told me that she drove the 2.7L from Michigan to MA and had reset the trip computer before they left, and said that it was slowly rising to 21.9 mpg on the highway. It only had 1500 miles on it when they left MI, so I would guestimate that it's possible to get mid 20's for MPG when the engine is broken in, and if you keep the speed under 70. She mentioned they were traveling fairly fast, so to me that means over 70, but we all know Ford employees would never break any speed limits on public roads...
I then road tested the 3.5L Lariat, and when I asked that driver about MPG, I found out he must have been the guy that was towing the big trailer parked at the event. He didn't tell me that specifically, but you can see from my pix that it was the one truck with the adjustable height tow ball. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to put 2+2 together, especially when he said he averaged 10-12 mpg... He was also kind enough to clarify for me that they ALL run 93 octane fuel. So factor that into any mileage predictions in your neck of the woods. One last thing, he thought the EPA mileage ratings would be released in about 2 weeks, which is in November as reported by other sources.
I can't wait to drive one of these with the 380hp 5.0L, I bet it's going to feel VERY fast compared to either V6. The design benefit of the variable valve train technology seems to be amplified in the larger displacement engine, and I certainly know first hand how awesome this works already. My wife has an 11 Mustang GT, and I have a 13 Boss 302. Drive them like an old lady, you can get mid 20's no problem on the GT, about 23-23.5 on the Boss (hotter cams, intake, and 3:73 gears vs 3:31s), but stomp on the gas or lots of city driving, and your mpg will fall to the mid-high teens. I believe the current 5.0L owners when they report they can get 18-19 mpg when taking it easy in the current model, I hope we can crack that magical 20 mpg barrier with the lighter 2015 F150.
If I had to do a ton of long distance driving, I'd get the 2.7L, but I did like the feel of the 3.5L w/o the turbo lag. These test drives made me over 90% sure I want the 5.0L, and a test drive of that version will make it 100.
10-25-2014, 10:38 AM
#113
The door panel is hard plastic, but I think the quality is good. It's a Ford Pickup, not a Range Rover. The moon roof opens half way, the rear part of the roof over the back seats remains fixed. I don't remember where there was leather or not, it wasn't what I was focused on during the drive. But I can tell you that it just feels like an upgrade over the 14s I've seen.
I like the new vents over the round ones, minor quibbles. It rides great. It's quiet. They felt powerful. Sure I saw the vids of the 0-60 times of each engine type. I don't care if the 3.5 was 'faster' than the 5.0 by a few tenths... It sure as hell *sounded* better, and no need to pump fake sound to the cabin via loudspeakers.
My gut feeling tells me the new 5.0 w/3:73s is exactly what I want. I know what the capabilities are of this V8, it will deliver the best all around performance for my needs. Sure it will use more gas than the 2.7, but I will have the better throttle response I've grown accustomed to in my Mustang. I have faith that the Ford engineers tweaked this new version with increased hp/tq for the V8 lovers out there.
I like the new vents over the round ones, minor quibbles. It rides great. It's quiet. They felt powerful. Sure I saw the vids of the 0-60 times of each engine type. I don't care if the 3.5 was 'faster' than the 5.0 by a few tenths... It sure as hell *sounded* better, and no need to pump fake sound to the cabin via loudspeakers.
My gut feeling tells me the new 5.0 w/3:73s is exactly what I want. I know what the capabilities are of this V8, it will deliver the best all around performance for my needs. Sure it will use more gas than the 2.7, but I will have the better throttle response I've grown accustomed to in my Mustang. I have faith that the Ford engineers tweaked this new version with increased hp/tq for the V8 lovers out there.
Theres no replacement for displacement.
When I do my test drive next month. I'll be sure to reset one of the trip computers before I start my drive.
Last edited by Daytoman; 10-25-2014 at 10:41 AM.
10-25-2014, 10:42 AM
#114
Anyone that's seen the guard color in person, what do you think? Some pics it looks like a grey/green, some it looks just grey, and some really green. What a persons opinion who's seen it in the real world?
10-25-2014, 11:08 AM
#115
Leon Sandcastle
Thread Starter
Guard is awesome. It's very easy on the eyes and pops in the right light. It has a good amount of metal flake in it, so if you are a truck owner that waxes and polishes their paint, it will look great. That's why I took close ups of all the paint at the event, you can click the images to see the huge original size to see the details. There are lots of pix of this color on the new 2015 Mustang also on the internet...
10-25-2014, 01:10 PM
#116
Senior Member
Guard is grey with a green hue. The nuances of the green hue is enhanced by light, diminished in shade, i.e. the overall dark greyish color turns to darker grey in the absence of light. With a Magnetic & Guard side-by-side, the Magnetic never changes from grey, but the Guard always has a hint of dark green that appears-disappears depending on your angle of vision on different body panels. Tough to explain.
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MHaynes772 (10-25-2014)
10-25-2014, 03:19 PM
#117
Just got back from the drive. I'll post pics tonight, but here's a quick review.
The truck in beautiful in person. All Ecoboosts, no 5.0. The King Ranch was the Guard two-tone....absolutely beautiful as was the interior. If anyone is going with a KR, this is the color combo to get. They also had a Guard Lariet and a Tuxedo Black XLT.
Interior on the Crew Cab is huge. I'm 6'3" and when I had the driver's seat all the way back, I could hardly reach the pedals. When I moved it forward to where I was comfortable, there was a ton of leg room for the rear passenger behind me. The console is huge and is at a perfect height. It matches the height on the lower armrest on the door. If you have your arm on the upper beltline of the window, it's also very comfortable. Anyone over 6'4" in the back seat will be touching the roofline with the double sunroof. That's the only thing they could have improved a bit. I'll never be sitting back there, so it's not an issue for me. When you fold up the seats, the floor space for storage is HUGE. It seems like it's half the size of the of the 5.5ft box in the back.
Doors were nice and light and you could feel the weight savings, however then closed nicely. Did not feel cheap at all. I knocked on the various aluminum panels all over the truck. The side of the bed sounded like normal metal. The doors and front fenders and hood sounded like the composite panels on the newer Corvettes. Very cool.
The truck drove smooth and EXTREMELY quiet. Felt like a luxury car.
More comments and pics to come. Gotta run.
The truck in beautiful in person. All Ecoboosts, no 5.0. The King Ranch was the Guard two-tone....absolutely beautiful as was the interior. If anyone is going with a KR, this is the color combo to get. They also had a Guard Lariet and a Tuxedo Black XLT.
Interior on the Crew Cab is huge. I'm 6'3" and when I had the driver's seat all the way back, I could hardly reach the pedals. When I moved it forward to where I was comfortable, there was a ton of leg room for the rear passenger behind me. The console is huge and is at a perfect height. It matches the height on the lower armrest on the door. If you have your arm on the upper beltline of the window, it's also very comfortable. Anyone over 6'4" in the back seat will be touching the roofline with the double sunroof. That's the only thing they could have improved a bit. I'll never be sitting back there, so it's not an issue for me. When you fold up the seats, the floor space for storage is HUGE. It seems like it's half the size of the of the 5.5ft box in the back.
Doors were nice and light and you could feel the weight savings, however then closed nicely. Did not feel cheap at all. I knocked on the various aluminum panels all over the truck. The side of the bed sounded like normal metal. The doors and front fenders and hood sounded like the composite panels on the newer Corvettes. Very cool.
The truck drove smooth and EXTREMELY quiet. Felt like a luxury car.
More comments and pics to come. Gotta run.
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10-25-2014, 03:39 PM
#118
Senior Member
Not to upstage the review by steevr, but just to add an impression on closing the doors.
I usually test the sounds of door closings listening for a thud, thunk, rattle, or whatever denotes either subjectively good quality or poor quality to me. However, the 2015 offered a completely different experience...a whump on closing and a whuff on opening, kinda like a hard fist blow into a down pillow, a pleasing sound of fit, finish, and tight foam seals. Inside, the vehicle is extremely quiet, as if one's ears are stuffed up during an airplane descent.
I usually test the sounds of door closings listening for a thud, thunk, rattle, or whatever denotes either subjectively good quality or poor quality to me. However, the 2015 offered a completely different experience...a whump on closing and a whuff on opening, kinda like a hard fist blow into a down pillow, a pleasing sound of fit, finish, and tight foam seals. Inside, the vehicle is extremely quiet, as if one's ears are stuffed up during an airplane descent.
10-25-2014, 05:33 PM
#119
Senior Member
Just got back from the drive. I'll post pics tonight, but here's a quick review.
The truck in beautiful in person. All Ecoboosts, no 5.0. The King Ranch was the Guard two-tone....absolutely beautiful as was the interior. If anyone is going with a KR, this is the color combo to get. They also had a Guard Lariet and a Tuxedo Black XLT.
Interior on the Crew Cab is huge. I'm 6'3" and when I had the driver's seat all the way back, I could hardly reach the pedals. When I moved it forward to where I was comfortable, there was a ton of leg room for the rear passenger behind me. The console is huge and is at a perfect height. It matches the height on the lower armrest on the door. If you have your arm on the upper beltline of the window, it's also very comfortable. Anyone over 6'4" in the back seat will be touching the roofline with the double sunroof. That's the only thing they could have improved a bit. I'll never be sitting back there, so it's not an issue for me. When you fold up the seats, the floor space for storage is HUGE. It seems like it's half the size of the of the 5.5ft box in the back.
Doors were nice and light and you could feel the weight savings, however then closed nicely. Did not feel cheap at all. I knocked on the various aluminum panels all over the truck. The side of the bed sounded like normal metal. The doors and front fenders and hood sounded like the composite panels on the newer Corvettes. Very cool.
The truck drove smooth and EXTREMELY quiet. Felt like a luxury car.
More comments and pics to come. Gotta run.
The truck in beautiful in person. All Ecoboosts, no 5.0. The King Ranch was the Guard two-tone....absolutely beautiful as was the interior. If anyone is going with a KR, this is the color combo to get. They also had a Guard Lariet and a Tuxedo Black XLT.
Interior on the Crew Cab is huge. I'm 6'3" and when I had the driver's seat all the way back, I could hardly reach the pedals. When I moved it forward to where I was comfortable, there was a ton of leg room for the rear passenger behind me. The console is huge and is at a perfect height. It matches the height on the lower armrest on the door. If you have your arm on the upper beltline of the window, it's also very comfortable. Anyone over 6'4" in the back seat will be touching the roofline with the double sunroof. That's the only thing they could have improved a bit. I'll never be sitting back there, so it's not an issue for me. When you fold up the seats, the floor space for storage is HUGE. It seems like it's half the size of the of the 5.5ft box in the back.
Doors were nice and light and you could feel the weight savings, however then closed nicely. Did not feel cheap at all. I knocked on the various aluminum panels all over the truck. The side of the bed sounded like normal metal. The doors and front fenders and hood sounded like the composite panels on the newer Corvettes. Very cool.
The truck drove smooth and EXTREMELY quiet. Felt like a luxury car.
More comments and pics to come. Gotta run.
thanks for the awesome review - looking forward to the pics. How did the KR interior feel? How did you like the chocolate brown seats? I saw them today on a 2015 F-250 and loved them. Did the wood grain look real? (as it is supposed to be). thanks again and I can't want for my drive (which is not until 11/15)
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