New F 150 outselling Chevrolet trucks by a BUNCH!
05-27-2015, 03:28 PM
#42
Senior Member
Disagree.
Let's say "Conglomerate A" owns about a dozen hamburger brands (e.g., Wendy's, Burger King, Whataburger, Five Guys, Steak & Shake, Carl's Jr., Sonic, Hardees, etc.).
Collectively, "Conglomerate A" sells more hamburgers than McDonald's, but no single brand (on it's own) sells more hamburgers than McDonald's.
Saying that "Conglomerate A" has the best selling hamburger in America is no different than saying GM has the best selling truck in America because their multiple brands collectively sell more than the McDonald's or Ford BRANDS isn't "just semantics really". It's simply not accurate.
Let's say "Conglomerate A" owns about a dozen hamburger brands (e.g., Wendy's, Burger King, Whataburger, Five Guys, Steak & Shake, Carl's Jr., Sonic, Hardees, etc.).
Collectively, "Conglomerate A" sells more hamburgers than McDonald's, but no single brand (on it's own) sells more hamburgers than McDonald's.
Saying that "Conglomerate A" has the best selling hamburger in America is no different than saying GM has the best selling truck in America because their multiple brands collectively sell more than the McDonald's or Ford BRANDS isn't "just semantics really". It's simply not accurate.
05-27-2015, 08:14 PM
#44
Senior Member
Yes, I know that was your point ...
05-27-2015, 08:17 PM
#45
Senior Member
Ford has never received a bailout. Ford took a LOAN years ago and REPAID it IN FULL years ago.
GM and Chrysler took bailouts (taxpayer dollars of which only a small portion was repaid - most with OTHER taxpayer dollars that were also GIVEN to them) and had massive debt wiped away thanks to federal bankruptcy laws. Millions of investors lost billions of dollars, but GM, Chrysler and the labor unions made out like bandits.
Chrysler also took a federal loan years ago (80's), but did repay that one.
GM and Chrysler took bailouts (taxpayer dollars of which only a small portion was repaid - most with OTHER taxpayer dollars that were also GIVEN to them) and had massive debt wiped away thanks to federal bankruptcy laws. Millions of investors lost billions of dollars, but GM, Chrysler and the labor unions made out like bandits.
Chrysler also took a federal loan years ago (80's), but did repay that one.
05-27-2015, 10:02 PM
#46
Ford has never received a bailout. Ford took a LOAN years ago and REPAID it IN FULL years ago.
GM and Chrysler took bailouts (taxpayer dollars of which only a small portion was repaid - most with OTHER taxpayer dollars that were also GIVEN to them) and had massive debt wiped away thanks to federal bankruptcy laws. Millions of investors lost billions of dollars, but GM, Chrysler and the labor unions made out like bandits.
Chrysler also took a federal loan years ago (80's), but did repay that one.
GM and Chrysler took bailouts (taxpayer dollars of which only a small portion was repaid - most with OTHER taxpayer dollars that were also GIVEN to them) and had massive debt wiped away thanks to federal bankruptcy laws. Millions of investors lost billions of dollars, but GM, Chrysler and the labor unions made out like bandits.
Chrysler also took a federal loan years ago (80's), but did repay that one.
05-27-2015, 10:07 PM
#47
Cowboy of the Skies
General Motors is the one who markets Chevrolet as a brand, and GMC as a separate brand.
It is not like Ford or Ram force them to.
If Ford chose to market trucks into 2 different division, that would be up them them. But they don't .
It is not like Ford or Ram force them to.
If Ford chose to market trucks into 2 different division, that would be up them them. But they don't .
05-27-2015, 10:23 PM
#49
Senior Member
Yes in fact it was the largest recall in the history of the U.S.
21,000,000 Ford NHTSA ID 81V-008: 1970-80 Ford cars & trucks with automatic transmissions that fail to hold or engage in Park. Rather than repair vehicles, Ford send owners a warning label to be placed on dash. 1-9-81
21,000,000 Ford NHTSA ID 81V-008: 1970-80 Ford cars & trucks with automatic transmissions that fail to hold or engage in Park. Rather than repair vehicles, Ford send owners a warning label to be placed on dash. 1-9-81
