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Old 09-19-2014, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by LastResort
Look, the reality is that reliable, high output is what wins races. And what wins races is what sells vehicle (or so every race team claims). For a long, long time, that was associated with a certain format(driven by rules to reinforce what was available on the showroom floor). Based on that format, people made purchases. This is all despite the fact that the V8 in the race car has almost no relation to their V8 in their daily driver, but it made them happy in their ignorant view of the world, **** understanding of technolgy, and amature wrenching tallents.

Now we have new technologies that offer new benefits, and these are changing the platform. And those people who mistake the format for the performance are upset. They wail. They gnash their teeth. They wet their diaper. They write strongly worded OpEds, form posts, and blog entries. And they are. Totally. Irrelevant. They may be a lost purchase or two, but they are an ignorant mass of consumers who would always find some reason to complain about improved performance of the new vehicle. Why? Because it simply changed the format, and it made them feel uncomfortable about their position in life. Those that can't understand the actual technical merits of the that platform simply attached significance to it's appearance, and started praise those features. They told their friends. They proselytize to their colleagues, their neighbor, their dental hygienist, and the mailman: "the V8 is the best thing that has ever happened and will happen." ****. Has. Moved. On.

But the only thing that is constant is change. AFters 30 years of advocating the church of the holy V8, now they've got to get a V6 in some high performance trims. Couple this with an inferiority complex, no ability to understand the technical advantages of the the modern induced engine, and their child like understanding of technology: how can they defend their purchase at the bar, the barber, and the dentist? Manufacturers who court that group are circling the drain. Oh sure, they may sell a ton of high markup vehicles to a bunch of balding old men in suits for a period of time. But the smart ones understand the short sighted nature of that sale: they can do it only for a generation, as the next few generation watch. They will see that their dad, their uncle, their grandfather were bilked for a bill of goods based on a legacy of performance so irrelevant as to be immeasurable. Congrats you bought the ****ty knock off of a 30 year old design, and can't even post numbers worth discussion without doubling the cost of vehicle and getting the "Race pack".

However, if they can impress the multiple child, their friends, and cousins of that bald, old, man, they have a future of relevance. Do you really think that my son will care if the Mustang GT comes with a V8? He probably will care about technology that I can't even imagine right now.

So yes. I think you can. In the next 5 years I expect both of those will be offered in a high output V6 format of one variety or the other. in 10 years, they will only be available on V6. Why get hung up on what's under the hood, when it's much more important what happens on the board?

I'm not sure what to say ... except maybe Wow!

I'm one of those balding guys you refer to...and I don't believe I or my dad or my grand-dad were bilked out of anything. Your attitude is typical of todays generation.


Thanks to my Dad and my Grand dad we live in a free country and being born and raised on a farm I was taught to think.


Imagine living in a world without these technologies you refer to, no Google, no internet, no texting, no facebook, no cell phone, no nothing. Now you have to figure out how to fix a problem without any one or anything to help you. I suspect you wouldn't know what to do.


Your stated - "inferiority complex, no ability to understand the technical advantages of the the modern induced engine, and their child like understanding of technology"...Really?
Its my generation that got you here.

I've never bought a vehicle because it won a race.
Anyway, when you grow up, you may understand what it is I'm talking about...until then...


Its obvious you're young, extremely immature and don't have a clue about what you are talking about.

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Lol. The older generations veneration for technology from their youth is as irrational as youths love of new flashy specs.
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Originally Posted by ZBoater
So should we expect a Corvette v6 and a Mustang Cobra v6 soon?
Remember when everybody said Ford would be nuts to put a turbo v6 in a truck and nobody would buy it.
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Old 09-19-2014, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ZBoater
So should we expect a Corvette v6 and a Mustang Cobra v6 soon?



V6, V8, V10, V12...
I wouldn't spend a dime on a Mustang or Corvette

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I get the feeling there are some. Strait as an arrow family trees going on here.
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Originally Posted by ZBoater
So should we expect a Corvette v6 and a Mustang Cobra v6 soon?
Probably.

The 2015 Mustang will include in its engine lineup a turbo 4 making 310 hp (more than or equal to what the old 5.0 and 4.6 made stock). For now the V8 remains (thankfully) but I have to admit the writing is on the wall for the direction of these engines.

While a turbo 6 may make the Mustang sound like a Hoover vacuum (blasphemy, I know!), all things considered I believe people will be more concerned about continued improvement in performance (HP/TQ) rather than from what engine it was produced.

If you told me 10 years ago that a v6 would be an option (something you paid extra for) in the F150, I wouldn't have believed you. Granted, I wish my F150 had that Coyote growl. Beyond that, I don't give a damn that my truck doesn't have a v8 and am much more interested in the torque curve that my EB makes.

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I don't think anyone's talking about the Raptor anymore...
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Originally Posted by dannofx4
I don't think anyone's talking about the Raptor anymore...
Perhaps my point was lost in the Mustang analogy. I have considered a Raptor as my next truck and I don't care what motor they put in it as long as it maintains/improves its performance and usable power (higher HP, higher TQ, flatter TQ curve).
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Originally Posted by Remi
Perhaps my point was lost in the Mustang analogy. I have considered a Raptor as my next truck and I don't care what motor they put in it as long as it maintains/improves its performance and usable power (higher HP, higher TQ, flatter TQ curve).




See now I'm a little older, and some here think that's funny and I'm somehow "disconnected" from reality.


I have an ecoboost in my F150 (2013), I love the truck and the engine. I am not anti V6. In fact the highest performing engines available today are probably mostly V6 engines. I particularly like the 3.8 545hp engine in the Nissan GT-R...amazing car!


However I grew up on V8 engines and as there are several "throw-back" models on the market like the sickly 700+ hp engine in the 2015 dodge hellcat why not kick out some same big *** V8 in a Raptor? I'd still keep my F150.


That's all I'm looking for...ya ya ya its not for everyone then make it an option. I can afford it.
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Funny ..... Here I got it all wrong. The Raptor isn't about it's Off-Road capabilities and prowess but instead it is about having the biggest engine between the fenders.

Huh, you learn something new every day.


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