P0016 Eco Timing Chain?
02-01-2015, 04:50 PM
#61
I believe this is part of the problem using semi-synthetic and following the oil life monitor. It's too long an interval and too low quality of oil and it's what Ford said to use until TSB 14-0194 calls for full synthetic.
What I find interesting is you've had this issue come up with your truck but you've never had the cold start rattle which seems to be a really common symptom of this issue.
The TSB was 9 hours on my invoice.
What I find interesting is you've had this issue come up with your truck but you've never had the cold start rattle which seems to be a really common symptom of this issue.
The TSB was 9 hours on my invoice.
I suppose my truck could have had the timing chain rattle, but honestly it's not something i have ever noticed, and i usually am pretty good about noticing new noises, etc...
I love my truck, but i hope Ford gets these issues straightened out with the new Ecoboost engines. I understand all vechicles have their issues, but this will make me consider the 5.0 on my next one!
02-01-2015, 05:50 PM
#62
Senior Member
Looking at my invoices from the dealer, I also now notice they apparently have been putting in 5w-20 instead of 5w-30 as recommeded per the Ford manual. So much for assuming they would put the correct oil in it. I'd be surprised if there was any correlation between this and the timing chain. Makes me wonder though.
I suppose my truck could have had the timing chain rattle, but honestly it's not something i have ever noticed, and i usually am pretty good about noticing new noises, etc...
02-02-2015, 11:24 PM
#63
I got a call from the dealer tonight. They installed the new timing chain, put the truck back together, but when they started it up, it was making more noise then it should be. They weren't happy with the way the engine was, and are going to be putting in a new longblock.
They had to submit a request from Ford Engineering for the approval to go ahead and replace the longblock. Once they have approval the longblock will be on order. Looks like i'll be without my truck for another week or two.
They had to submit a request from Ford Engineering for the approval to go ahead and replace the longblock. Once they have approval the longblock will be on order. Looks like i'll be without my truck for another week or two.
02-03-2015, 01:00 AM
#64
International man of Myst
I just don't get the logic of tearing down the engine that far to replace just the timing chain.....
Last edited by LastResort; 02-03-2015 at 12:53 PM.
02-03-2015, 09:20 AM
#65
EB FX4 EcoRaptor
Subscribed! This is a very usefull & informative post.
I have a F150 2011 EB with 76K (km) with the same P0016 code since a while. I also had this rattle at cold start-up perhaps, it disappeared when shifting with Mobil 1 in replacement of Castrol synthetic. This is now one year ago!
I now have P0016 code that I have to reset on a daily base now. I don't think there is any relation with the cold weather we're having in this period; since the truck is throwing this code even when hot while driving on the turnpike acceleration/decelerating for many hours.
I am now looking in a near future to replace the timing chain as specified by Ford for the procedure 303-01A-3.5L GTDI engine (see below).
Perhaps, you guys aren't very positive for this repair on what I have read on those last 7 pages on this forum and what was writhed on this 105 pages (and more):
https://www.f150forum.com/f70/2011-e...4007/index102/
I'm not sure I can still wait many weeks, since I have heard that the main chain in heavy acceleration can slip some tooth's on the crankshaft sprocket and tear down the head(s) if it's too loose... I think it's now time that I let it stay in the garage, in the meantime I find a permanent solution for it's repair.
Having talked to a few a Ford mechanics, the BT 14-0194 had went Ok with some trucks, perhaps some other EB needed a complete replacement of the 3 chains & CVT solenoid. The chain tensioners don't seam to be of any cause. And still, this didn't worked for all of them!!!
So what I am going at, is that I have to spend 12hrs of labor and $1550. of parts and giving it a try and cross my fingers that this fix will be a permanent solution?
This isn't the way I do my own repairs with those trial & testing...
I really need a more comfortable solution to this issue and I have to insure myself that this will be a permanent fix. I would really love to see what Ford did on this EB new engine design as a solution for this permanent fix?
Unless some of you guys here in this forum had experienced a permanent repair for this P0016 code after driving for many months without any of this code comeback, my truck will still wait in the garage...
Just hoping that some of you guys will have really good news to write in concern of this fix in a near future!
Regards,
I have a F150 2011 EB with 76K (km) with the same P0016 code since a while. I also had this rattle at cold start-up perhaps, it disappeared when shifting with Mobil 1 in replacement of Castrol synthetic. This is now one year ago!
I now have P0016 code that I have to reset on a daily base now. I don't think there is any relation with the cold weather we're having in this period; since the truck is throwing this code even when hot while driving on the turnpike acceleration/decelerating for many hours.
I am now looking in a near future to replace the timing chain as specified by Ford for the procedure 303-01A-3.5L GTDI engine (see below).
Perhaps, you guys aren't very positive for this repair on what I have read on those last 7 pages on this forum and what was writhed on this 105 pages (and more):
https://www.f150forum.com/f70/2011-e...4007/index102/
I'm not sure I can still wait many weeks, since I have heard that the main chain in heavy acceleration can slip some tooth's on the crankshaft sprocket and tear down the head(s) if it's too loose... I think it's now time that I let it stay in the garage, in the meantime I find a permanent solution for it's repair.
Having talked to a few a Ford mechanics, the BT 14-0194 had went Ok with some trucks, perhaps some other EB needed a complete replacement of the 3 chains & CVT solenoid. The chain tensioners don't seam to be of any cause. And still, this didn't worked for all of them!!!
So what I am going at, is that I have to spend 12hrs of labor and $1550. of parts and giving it a try and cross my fingers that this fix will be a permanent solution?
This isn't the way I do my own repairs with those trial & testing...
I really need a more comfortable solution to this issue and I have to insure myself that this will be a permanent fix. I would really love to see what Ford did on this EB new engine design as a solution for this permanent fix?
Unless some of you guys here in this forum had experienced a permanent repair for this P0016 code after driving for many months without any of this code comeback, my truck will still wait in the garage...
Just hoping that some of you guys will have really good news to write in concern of this fix in a near future!
Regards,
02-03-2015, 11:40 AM
#66
Senior Member
Don't waste your money on the slave chains and the CVT solenoid. I'd recommend replacing the tensioner because it seems to be caught in the middle of this problem.
I've never heard of anybody skipping a tooth on the chain. You'll be tearing the engine down long before it gets that loose. The video in my signature shows the level of loosness that is required to set a CEL.
Yes, the noise will come back, even with the updated parts.
I've never heard of anybody skipping a tooth on the chain. You'll be tearing the engine down long before it gets that loose. The video in my signature shows the level of loosness that is required to set a CEL.
Yes, the noise will come back, even with the updated parts.
02-06-2015, 10:32 PM
#67
My truck has been at the dealer for exactly one week. Today I spoke with the tech working on my truck. He said they just received the longblock today, and they should have everything back together and the truck ready by next Friday at the latest.
In addition to the longblock they are also putting new turbos on my truck.
The tech said that he's changed a lot of timing chains on the EB F150's and usually a change of the timing chain is all that is necessary to fix the problem. When he put the new chain in my truck, and got it running again it apparently sounded as if the main bearings were spun. He mentioned there was a lot of metal in the oil.
From my convesation with the tech, he believes that the timing chain issue was due to a poor chain design/metallurgy issue.
I'm looking foward to getting back into my truck! Should be like new!
In addition to the longblock they are also putting new turbos on my truck.
The tech said that he's changed a lot of timing chains on the EB F150's and usually a change of the timing chain is all that is necessary to fix the problem. When he put the new chain in my truck, and got it running again it apparently sounded as if the main bearings were spun. He mentioned there was a lot of metal in the oil.
From my convesation with the tech, he believes that the timing chain issue was due to a poor chain design/metallurgy issue.
I'm looking foward to getting back into my truck! Should be like new!
02-07-2015, 01:54 AM
#68
When you look at the length of chain with out any guides or adjuster you can see it must mesh with a lot of teeth on the crankshaft, so any un normal wear will be much exaggerated in the mechanical workings. This is a all new engine block front view picture before assembly of the remaining components. It is obvious oil pressure + quality of the lubricant is a critical need both in adjustment and lubrication. Accepting only one component of the explanation returns = change the oil in more frequent intervals baby.
Last edited by papa tiger; 12-10-2018 at 09:46 PM.
02-07-2015, 03:31 AM
#69
EB FX4 EcoRaptor
Cord,
Please take a moment for a Look at this one Quote Forum (there are plenty of others..) if you don't believe that a loose primary timing chain can destroy an Ecoboost Engine:
https://www.f150forum.com/f70/timing...oboost-151174/
(Papa Tiger has commented a lot of those posts), AND Yes! Oil changes on this EB Twin Turbo's Six Pack is a lot more critical than a regular V8)
Ford Dealers who wait too long having their customers with this P0016 code Engine for this primary chain repair, may soon be face for a complete rebuilding of a short or long block for this issue.
This may be a break for those who are still under warranty, perhaps, this isn't my case anymore...
As I read in many forums on this WEB, I don't believe that only replacing this primary chain will repair all those P0016 codes; because there is to much things involved only with this primary chain issue..
And mixing worn gear with new chain.. This is generally a bad thing to do, like many others had experienced...
Like you said, I should also replace the RH + LH primary chain tensioner arm & shoe with the primary timing chain..
Perhaps, you also have the RH & LH secondary chain that also wear at the same time (same RC grade), that may be imperative to replace their tensioner & shoes.. And as spoken with some techs, it would be a good thing at this time to replace both RH & LH VCT oil control solenoid (there are 4 of them) that also often present some issues because of those chains wear... I was also recommended of doing the Camshaft sprockets (there are 4 of those: 2 on the primary chain (Intake) and two on the exhaust secondary assembly) at the same time..
AND Since we are on this open job, as it is recommended by FORD, we have to go for a complete replacing of all main bolts, seals that face this front valvetrain cover plate.
With ALL this, will it be a permanent fix for this P0016 Code & rattle at cold start?
Who knows?
This is WHY I'm still waiting for FORD Engineers writing a new Bulletin for this fix AND this is WHY I will let my 2011 FX4 truck in my garage with this issue until THEY (FORD ENGINEERS) gets out with a proper bulletin that will replace their BT 14-0194 with a permanent FIX for this issue.
THIS is my concern on this issue AND my point on this permanent fix. AND for the TIME that I will have to spend to accomplish this repair.
Thank's for reading, your comments, and Helping this Forum!
Salinger,
Please take a moment for a Look at this one Quote Forum (there are plenty of others..) if you don't believe that a loose primary timing chain can destroy an Ecoboost Engine:
https://www.f150forum.com/f70/timing...oboost-151174/
(Papa Tiger has commented a lot of those posts), AND Yes! Oil changes on this EB Twin Turbo's Six Pack is a lot more critical than a regular V8)
Ford Dealers who wait too long having their customers with this P0016 code Engine for this primary chain repair, may soon be face for a complete rebuilding of a short or long block for this issue.
This may be a break for those who are still under warranty, perhaps, this isn't my case anymore...
As I read in many forums on this WEB, I don't believe that only replacing this primary chain will repair all those P0016 codes; because there is to much things involved only with this primary chain issue..
And mixing worn gear with new chain.. This is generally a bad thing to do, like many others had experienced...
Like you said, I should also replace the RH + LH primary chain tensioner arm & shoe with the primary timing chain..
Perhaps, you also have the RH & LH secondary chain that also wear at the same time (same RC grade), that may be imperative to replace their tensioner & shoes.. And as spoken with some techs, it would be a good thing at this time to replace both RH & LH VCT oil control solenoid (there are 4 of them) that also often present some issues because of those chains wear... I was also recommended of doing the Camshaft sprockets (there are 4 of those: 2 on the primary chain (Intake) and two on the exhaust secondary assembly) at the same time..
AND Since we are on this open job, as it is recommended by FORD, we have to go for a complete replacing of all main bolts, seals that face this front valvetrain cover plate.
With ALL this, will it be a permanent fix for this P0016 Code & rattle at cold start?
Who knows?
This is WHY I'm still waiting for FORD Engineers writing a new Bulletin for this fix AND this is WHY I will let my 2011 FX4 truck in my garage with this issue until THEY (FORD ENGINEERS) gets out with a proper bulletin that will replace their BT 14-0194 with a permanent FIX for this issue.
THIS is my concern on this issue AND my point on this permanent fix. AND for the TIME that I will have to spend to accomplish this repair.
Thank's for reading, your comments, and Helping this Forum!
Salinger,
Last edited by Salinger; 02-07-2015 at 04:06 AM.
02-07-2015, 04:29 AM
#70
EB FX4 EcoRaptor
Just saw the new Raptor 2017 Flyer with the 3.5 EB:
http://www.f150online.com/articles/d...he-new-raptor/
The 3.5L EB Twin Turbo's Six Pack will be quenching TO all this power.. No such place anymore for upgrades & tuning, it has been done.. Power & Controls is joining their apogee. The Momentum of this wonderful Design & Art of Engineering is now at its limits of What technology can reach..
http://www.f150online.com/articles/d...he-new-raptor/
The 3.5L EB Twin Turbo's Six Pack will be quenching TO all this power.. No such place anymore for upgrades & tuning, it has been done.. Power & Controls is joining their apogee. The Momentum of this wonderful Design & Art of Engineering is now at its limits of What technology can reach..
Last edited by Salinger; 02-07-2015 at 04:33 AM.