Just call me Sean

iTrader: (1)

Ah, you have the 4 speed with overdrive. I have a few of them taken apart. Let me see if I can get you a picture of the shift mechanisms.

str8dogg

The overdrive making it 5 speeds, right? I get confused and simply call it a 5 speed. Sorry, I am a little jumpy right now because this truck has been sitting idle for about 4 months and I really need it to get back to working.

Just call me Sean

iTrader: (1)

Sorry, at first glance it looked like my old 4 speed. But it is a 5 speed. Some call the 4 speed a 3 speed with overdrive and some call the 5 speed a 4 speed with overdrive but I meant 4 speed which I am wrong. My transmissions are 4 speeds so I haven't seen the inside of your type before. I've never taken apart my 5 speed yet.

If it is anything like my 4 speed then there is a lockout pin that holds reverse from moving so reverse should still be locked out. 5th is on the same rail so it should be in place too. Straight down is 3rd and 4th which is the spot you can see. If it's centered then it's fine. 1st and 2nd rail is on the right and there should be a metal tab that blocks view of the rail. This tab is what pushes the shifter to the center. Either the truck is in 1st or 2nd because if it was in 3rd or 4th you wouldn't be having this much trouble. As you push the shifter down you will have to hold it in the 1st or 2nd position and as you lower it you will have to push the tab to the side to be able to engage it. You are probably inserting it into the 3rd and 4th rail.

str8dogg

I think that I gather what you are saying, but here is where I question. I can place the shifter into the hole, screw it back on, push in the clutch, cut the truck on.....when I relase the clutch the truck moves, but I can't move the shifter up, down right or left to engage the tranny to get back into the proper position. Hence my question, what are rails, and how do I get them to move from standing still? The tranny should be able to engage gears even with no power. That is how I leard to drive a manual by plaing with others in the driveway. See what I am saying?

Just call me Sean

iTrader: (1)

The problem is the truck is in a gear already. There are 3 rails, 1st and 2nd, 3rd and 4th, 5th and reverse. Each rail, up down 2 gears. None of the other rails will move when the truck is in a gear, which it is. When you put the shifter in it is falling into the 3rd 4th rail, but the 1st 2nd rail is already engaged which won't allow the shifter to move. You can start the truck and see if it's in gear without the shifter in, there may just be a little oil splatter. You can try to pull it out of gear and keep checking to see if it's in neutral yet without having to bolt the shifter back together.

wde3477

Suggest that the rails are controlled by the rings you see. Further suggest that the rails are lined up underneath the three ***** seen in your picture #2, numbered from top to bottom.

Not sure if there's any interlocking inside the tranny so that if one rail is out of the neutral position, it prevents the other two from moving - causing the inability to move the shifter lever that you are seeing. This would be a nice feature, if indeed in place, to prevent engaging more than one set of gears at a time.

Still thinking your problem is with that right ring - it's not lined up with the other two. Can you move it with a screwdriver or the like when all tension is off the transmission? Or perhaps rock the truck back and forth while trying to move this ring? I think the goal is to get the shifter to move as it should before trying to engage the engine.

str8dogg

The latter part of wde3477 is my goal. I just feel so stupid after all of the work I put into this. I am not at the truck right now, and since I don't have a cleared garage, I will have to wait until tomorrow to see if I can move anything with a screwdriver. I know for a fact that it is in gear already as mentioned about the movement of the truck when releasing the clutch. I am just baffled on why the shifter will not move out of the gear to the next, better yet into neutral.

Just call me Sean

iTrader: (1)

It won't move through any gears or neutral because you aren't engaging the shifter into the rail that is in gear. When you try to move the rail with the screwdriver it will be easier to do it if you press the clutch pedal in, but not that easy because with the shifter you have a lot more leverage.

str8dogg

Hey guys, I think that I got it. I am so excited that I ran in here to write this reply. But to assist anyone else, Sean and Wde3477 were both right. I couldn't see it too clearly last night but the "rails" were not lined up for 1st/2nd. It was actually in first, but I couldn't get the gear shifter into its position because of a pushbutton that closed the slot. Therefore, I used a strong (actaully it didn't have to be that strong), thick screwdriver to insert into the slot to push in the button and pushed the "rail" down into neutral where all of the "rails" lined up as shown in the pictures. Now I can put the shifter back on in neutral and it is all GOOD!! Thank GOD, this hurt me real bad. Take care and happy New Year!!!