Cam phasers post-tune
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There is no fight or argument. If we can be provided with the reason a warranty is voided because of a tune, in writing and not just because it came out of some ones mouth. Until then, I have to disagree. Good luck with your issue.
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From a real-world standpoint, you're absolutely wrong. Show me *one* case where Ford has denied coverage and then reinstated coverage after someone cited M-M. I'll wait, but I won't hold my breath.
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I'm not sure which side of this you're on with the "know it all" comment but the flowchart implies that this issue should be resolved under the TSB. The issue is not consistent with aftermarket modification of hardware or calibration. I didn't have time to read all 22 pages yet. But the flowchart at least doesn't say a calibration modification should lead to an automatic denial.
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I agree with you, according to the flow chart and the examples of non-warrantable symptoms, cam phasers should be still be a warranty repair. Unfortunately, you are now in a difficult position. You aren't going to win going back to this dealer, you can try another one and see what they say.
My point is tunes, cams, downpipes, intakes, lift kits, are not replacement parts covered by Magnuson-Moss. Magnuson-Moss prevents manufacturers from forcing customers to use their parts and service facilities to maintain the warranty. It definitely does not extend protection to vehicle modifications.
My point is tunes, cams, downpipes, intakes, lift kits, are not replacement parts covered by Magnuson-Moss. Magnuson-Moss prevents manufacturers from forcing customers to use their parts and service facilities to maintain the warranty. It definitely does not extend protection to vehicle modifications.
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They should be warrantable by the flowchart, but the dealer has already thrown the "it's tuned" card and isn't likely to pull it back.
OP needs to quietly walk away, find another dealer that's known to be more mod friendly, then go have a discussion. Getting into an argument or trying to cite M-M is going to lead to failure.
OP needs to quietly walk away, find another dealer that's known to be more mod friendly, then go have a discussion. Getting into an argument or trying to cite M-M is going to lead to failure.
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I know this has been discussed plenty but spare me the hate. I finally got a dealer to find time to perform the cam phaser programming which obviously didn't work because the noise was there before and I'm pretty sure the programming is a preventative thing. Anyway, they won't go any further claiming I've voided my warranty by tuning the truck. I get that, however, this is a very widespread and known issue that I doubt they could easily prove was caused by me tuning the truck, right? It's not like a threw a piston. Is it worth fighting over? Are there higher than 1% odds I can get them to replace the cam phasers?
Last edited by Firsttexan; Feb 14, 2024 at 08:44 PM.