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Depending what you want the lights for, driving? trails? light up the camp site? would make a difference which to buy. If for anything other than high beams for driving I would get a light bar. Then it's a matter of how much light and what type of look you're wanting.

Good Luck. There are a lot of pics and information here on the site. The search feature is your friend.


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WestsydeGuy

Amazon is fly by night ??? Lol

I have bought probably 300 things from them, had an issue once, and they exchanged it no problem at all.
That is not a fly by night company


Ps. I sent you a PM once, asked some questions and left my phone number said call or text me in regards to my inquiry. ......never heard a word back from anyone.

230748

Amazon actually doesn't sell anything, so to speak. It's all dealer based.

So in case you don't know how Amazon actually works it's like this

Businesses list their products for sale on Amazon. They "fight" for the right to be that "add to cart" dealer when you buy something. It's all about dealer ratings, low price, availability, track record, etc... that gets you that "add to cart" sale right away. Click on that "also available from these sellers" link, you may actually see it lower priced there. THAT'S the area where people will start listing prices. With companies like Rigid, you'll see pretty much the same price. However you'll see a few guys that are way lower then others. They are hoping for quick sales before Rigid (and other companies) find out.

One rigid finds out, their mean legal team (it's like this with all big manufacturers) will email the dealer, and tell them "knock it off or we're not selling to you or supporting you". It's called MAP pricing (Minimum Advertised Pricing).

Soo what about the PRIME stuff? Well that's items stored in amazon warehouses, ready to ship right away. Again, dealers/companies will send amazon the inventory to keep in amazon warehouses... and amazon then has the PRIME feature enabled. Amazon picks it and ships it. The dealer pays amazon a percentage of the sale (actually it's a BIG percentage, about 12%) plus monthly storage costs based on square feet your item takes up in their warehouse.

It's a good thing because now that dealer sold his item right away because PRIME is a big thing. HOwever... the dealer had to send amazon the inventory, that's $$ eaten up.

If a dealer buys something for $100 from distribution, and MAP is say $175 and they sell it for $130... well they sure beat everybody on the price. But after costs its like this

Cost: $100
Amazon Charge (on the $130 price it sold for): $15.60
Shipping: $15 (almost EVERYBODY offers free shipping)

So now that item cost hte dealer $130.60 and he sold it for $130... net loss of 60 cents.

Some dealers will do this because for 60 cents... i'd take that loss because it boosts your rankings with amazon. Eventually those quick sales of the cheap items, will boost the dealers rankings up to the point where they have a shot at being that "add to cart" dealer. And in the end 60 cents is PEANUTS for marketing. I spend a lot of money on marketing.

That's why amazon is a GREAT place to buy and a BAD place to sell... great for the consumer since amazon backs the consumer all the time. Bad and good for sellers because you can either make good money or lose money.

I stopped selling on amazon... because I obide by MAP pricing... and honestly with distribution costs as high as they are these days and the HUGE fee amazon takes (it's over 12%) it did not pay. It's a real hassle especially when a lot of people sell the same product.


Hopefully that gives you an idea on amazon pricing. If you got a good deal, AWESOME, but it wasn't done by a dealer who is playing by the rules. Look at Stage 3's website, I can honestly tell you all of their pricing is MAP. Same for my website and for any real dealer who "plays by the rules"

If you want dealers who break the rules, check out eBay.

I used to work at StreetGlow back in the day. Back when the internet was just becoming a THING. I can tell you we battled with dealers alllll the time. We'd always have some small dealer selling REALLY LOW and not offering the support the dealers were supposed to. A real dealer should sell at MAP, should handle ALL warranty issues and support issues as best they can.

Dealers who sell quick and fast on ebay/amazon, may not offer those services.

Not to say I wouldn't pass up a great bargain on a price on amazon, hell yeah, go for it, by all means. The more you can save, THE BETTER.

But that's why a lot of dealers don't sell on amazon... because of the OTHER guys who don't play fairly. It ruins it.

WestsydeGuy if you did email me I most surely responded as I am known for my customer service (it's one thing I stand behind). If you missed the email I apologize, please send me another PM with what you needed.

WestsydeGuy

I stand behind my earlier statement that Amazon has been exceptionally great to me to deal with.
Actually not one friend or family member has complained either.
Great company in my opinion.
When you called them a Fly by night company , you totally discredited yourself.

230748

Read my thread entirely - Amazon itself is not fly by night it's the companies who sell on Amazon for a few weeks and get booted for breaking policies that are the fly by night

I love Amazon as a buyer you can get great deals

Don't twist what I actually said

03f15012

Even if that's the case, there still is a problem. The light needs to be focused. Even if it doesn't blind, the throw won't be as good. I will say this: I'm a big critic of PnP's. IF however, this is the route people chose to go (regrettably), it's the best you'd get. Not downing your products, but just the ideal of I PnP's as a whole.

230748

No offense taken... let me know if you want to try a kit out at no risk to you, bet I can change your mind. But that's another topic

BC119

I would like to see the ticket from a guy who got pulled over for a properly executed retrofit and nothing else..... Hell headlight laws in the US are about as dated as laws against sex on Sunday, and they aren't ever enforced, even on deserving offenders.
Lastly, Offroad lights are illegal as well, as they must remain covered and off while using public road ways in most states. Don't see too many tickets written for that either though.

fseries54303

Exactly! So who cares about what headlights are in a truck, as long as they are properly aimed and not blinding other delivers? You anti LED/pnp HID ***** and retrofit guys are just as guilty. Don't scold people for their headlight choices! Instead, inform them of making sure whatever bulb/headlight route they choose to make sure the cutoff and aim is correct. That's way easier than constantly b*!#/ing about it!

230748

They are in Utah. I was talking to a guy (on another forum I think) and he tells me when they go in for inspection if the lights look bright, they look closer. They make the owner show proof that they are DOT legal. A real pain. In a state that is so open about their firearms laws, they hassle people about light bulbs.

Even if it's a regular halogen light, if it looks really white/bright, they want to see the receipt/etc...