Topic Sponsor
Towing/ Hauling/ Plowing Discuss all of your towing and/or cargo moving experiences here.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Would you tow this

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 05-19-2016, 05:09 PM
  #21  
Senior Member
 
schmenke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Posts: 570
Received 111 Likes on 81 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by WestsydeGuy
You clueless people go ride in a loaded super b....then get back to me on dangerous overloads.....pickups are wayyyyyyy under rated because so many morons who can barely drive an empty honda civic try towing their pile of junk rv and crash it because they are pathetic. .....so they drop their recommendations down to stupid low levels to help those who don't know how to drive.
Its like all the plane and helicopter crashes due too crappy pilots.
Never ever ever shoukd a rig, car or aircraft crash....but many people try operating them that should never handle anything more dangerous than a donut.

Yes, engineers design with a factor of safety. But the factor of safety is there for a reason... it's so that devices can be operated safely at the limits of the design constraints. Sure, you can exceed these constraints, but then the device is not being operated safely.


It's entirely up to the user to decide how comfortable he/she is operating while knowingly exceeding the factors of safety, and to what extent. Not only is safety compromised, but also things like warranties and validity of insurance claims. Everyone's comfort level of risk is different, but that doesn't mean that everyone are clueless morons.
Old 05-19-2016, 05:09 PM
  #22  
Member
 
ambush's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 94
Likes: 0
Received 30 Likes on 20 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by WestsydeGuy
You clueless people go ride in a loaded super b....then get back to me on dangerous overloads.....pickups are wayyyyyyy under rated because so many morons who can barely drive an empty honda civic try towing their pile of junk rv and crash it because they are pathetic. .....so they drop their recommendations down to stupid low levels to help those who don't know how to drive.
Its like all the plane and helicopter crashes due too crappy pilots.
Never ever ever shoukd a rig, car or aircraft crash....but many people try operating them that should never handle anything more dangerous than a donut.
Don't confuse can with should. There is a very big difference. Your experience has brought you to a place where you are comfortable doing things that the vast majority of people should never attempt. Let's face it, most of us have hauled overloaded vehicles at one time or another. Have I? Yes. Will I again? Most likely. My concern is if a poster comes on this forum asking if his rig can handle a specific trailer, he or she most likely has little to no experience towing. We do those people a tremendous disservice by saying things like "I pull the Statue of Liberty every day and don't even feel it." One poster on another thread recommended a 5er setup to a total towing newbie. If your gonna tow a 5er or anything else that's gonna put you over capacity, you'd better know what the heck your doing. Just think about the ops experience, not yours. As for the ride in the superB, I'd spend the whole time wanting to drive it.😊
The following users liked this post:
Ricktwuhk (05-19-2016)
Old 05-19-2016, 06:46 PM
  #23  
2011 Harley Davidson AWD
Thread Starter
 
AndrewM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Baton Rouge, LA
Posts: 350
Received 23 Likes on 20 Posts

Default

For the record, I have plenty of towing experience. Nothing super heavy, but travel trailers, 5th wheels, boats, cargo trailers etc. Heaviest was probably my dads 5th wheel. 10k with his F250.
Old 05-20-2016, 01:06 AM
  #24  
Senior Member
 
Velosprout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: East Central Illinois
Posts: 1,005
Received 208 Likes on 168 Posts

Default

My serious and short answer to the OP from my experience is no. Your travel with a travel trailer is supposed to be fun and relaxing. Shop for the trailer you want and the tow vehicle to pull it as a package. If you are going to get one or the other first...get the tow vehicle first, and get a vehicle with 10% more rated capacity than you think you will possibly need.

My other reaction is to what I have "learned" from reading all these forums for a couple of years. If I was to believe some on these posts, I would think I could put on airbags, upgraded sway bar, a tune, a lift and level, aftermarket cold-air intake, cat-back exhaust, 22" wheels/tires and a hitch, de-badge the truck, and start pulling semi-truck trailers today easily for hire. It's only those rascals in Ford Marketing. Ford engineers, and trucking interests in cahoots with the government that put artificially low ratings on the trucks, prevent us from towing what these pickup trucks can really pull, and putting the trucking industry as we know it out of business. These advice-givers used to be amusing but after a couple of years, the novelty pales.
The following users liked this post:
Ricktwuhk (05-20-2016)
Old 05-20-2016, 03:39 PM
  #25  
2011 Harley Davidson AWD
Thread Starter
 
AndrewM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Baton Rouge, LA
Posts: 350
Received 23 Likes on 20 Posts

Default

I love the range of answers I received! Fewer nos than I expected though.
Old 05-20-2016, 10:27 PM
  #26  
Senior Member
 
mass-hole's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 2,938
Received 897 Likes on 680 Posts

Default

I think the HD is just a heavy truck. C&D tested it at 6245 lbs so that sounds about right since the non max tow trucks had 7350 lb GVWR. That would put you right around 1100 lbs payload.

My guess is that your truck is more than fine to tow it from a capability perspective, its up to you on whether you want to bend to rules and exceed GVWR and GCWR.
Old 05-24-2016, 11:30 AM
  #27  
Member
 
fx2tom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 37
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by WestsydeGuy
1202 placards on each side and front and rear.
Class 1 license although not required.
TDG and WHMIS....Which all who pull bulk fuel here do.
As she says all the time.
A rig loaded under it maximum weight is a hazard.
A modern pickup pulling more than its supposed maximum weight handles great.
She drives my Peterbilts frequently as well.
Throw a legal load on my big rigs and they handle it very badly in my opinion. ...yet its legal.
I pull a trailer several thousand pounds over with an f150 and damn it feels like diddly back there.
I drive big rigs to....have my class 1 and air and TDG.
Hell my class 8 trucks pulling a completely empty trailer even should handle as good as my f150 puling 13k pounds.
Why are you running haz mat placards on aviation fuel? That should be running 1863 placards.
Old 05-24-2016, 02:30 PM
  #28  
Senior Member
 
sunofabeach's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary, AB
Posts: 309
Received 65 Likes on 38 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Velosprout
My serious and short answer to the OP from my experience is no. Your travel with a travel trailer is supposed to be fun and relaxing. Shop for the trailer you want and the tow vehicle to pull it as a package. If you are going to get one or the other first...get the tow vehicle first, and get a vehicle with 10% more rated capacity than you think you will possibly need.

My other reaction is to what I have "learned" from reading all these forums for a couple of years. If I was to believe some on these posts, I would think I could put on airbags, upgraded sway bar, a tune, a lift and level, aftermarket cold-air intake, cat-back exhaust, 22" wheels/tires and a hitch, de-badge the truck, and start pulling semi-truck trailers today easily for hire. It's only those rascals in Ford Marketing. Ford engineers, and trucking interests in cahoots with the government that put artificially low ratings on the trucks, prevent us from towing what these pickup trucks can really pull, and putting the trucking industry as we know it out of business. These advice-givers used to be amusing but after a couple of years, the novelty pales.

the thing that I've learned while reading forums is that if you listened to the weight police, they would have you towing nothing but a tent trailer with a current half ton pick-up. if you want anything bigger than that, you need a 1-ton dually to control all that "weight".


reality is that if you can't tow a trailer with a tongue weight of 700lbs with your half ton truck, you're doing it wrong.


don't expect someone to spend $80k on a 1-ton dually diesel when their current F150 is MORE than adequate to do the job.,
The following users liked this post:
WestsydeGuy (05-25-2016)
Old 05-24-2016, 05:36 PM
  #29  
Senior Member
 
Ricktwuhk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: SE Michigan
Posts: 14,966
Received 5,989 Likes on 3,553 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by AndrewM
I love the range of answers I received! Fewer nos than I expected though.
Because people get tired of posting the same thing over and over, and over. You expressed you know the limits, and ask opinions of violating them. Those that stay within the limits have an opinion that those that violate them put themselves and others at risk. Additionally, some of us have little respect for people who make decisions by poll on the internet, not saying that you will.

You know the limits and understand them. Violate them at your peril. Have an accident with me and I will be telling the cops to weigh things to see if you were over capacity and then sue you for all you've got, and take every penny your family has and leave them on the street.

So,... no.

Last edited by Ricktwuhk; 05-24-2016 at 05:39 PM.
Old 05-24-2016, 06:08 PM
  #30  
JJM
Senior Member
 
JJM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Rio Grande Valley, TX
Posts: 1,057
Received 180 Likes on 136 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Ricktwuhk
Have an accident with me and I will be telling the cops to weigh things to see if you were over capacity and then sue you for all you've got, and take every penny your family has and leave them on the street.
Well you're gonna win yourself a whopping $198 dollars so have fun!
The following users liked this post:
WestsydeGuy (05-25-2016)


Quick Reply: Would you tow this



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:34 AM.