Where is WDH 5000 limit stated?
05-16-2019, 09:48 PM
#21
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You guys are putting too much thought into this. Ford has determined that ALL F-150 models, regardless of wheel base, trim, engine choice, whatever, is limited to a maximum of 5000 pounds trailer weight before a WDH is required. Following the J2807 standards, this mean the hitch will be 500 pounds. SAE J2807 standard is 10% trailer weight.
GM has determined that their trucks can handle 7000 pounds before a WDH is required, hence the 700 pound ball weight.
It is not the receiver, its the truck. It is what the manufacturer has determined based on J2807 standards.
GM has determined that their trucks can handle 7000 pounds before a WDH is required, hence the 700 pound ball weight.
It is not the receiver, its the truck. It is what the manufacturer has determined based on J2807 standards.
05-16-2019, 10:25 PM
#22
You guys are putting too much thought into this. Ford has determined that ALL F-150 models, regardless of wheel base, trim, engine choice, whatever, is limited to a maximum of 5000 pounds trailer weight before a WDH is required. Following the J2807 standards, this mean the hitch will be 500 pounds. SAE J2807 standard is 10% trailer weight.
GM has determined that their trucks can handle 7000 pounds before a WDH is required, hence the 700 pound ball weight.
It is not the receiver, its the truck. It is what the manufacturer has determined based on J2807 standards.
GM has determined that their trucks can handle 7000 pounds before a WDH is required, hence the 700 pound ball weight.
It is not the receiver, its the truck. It is what the manufacturer has determined based on J2807 standards.
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kehyler (05-17-2019)
05-16-2019, 10:52 PM
#23
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I'll just say this...if the 5,000 lb weight limit without WDH IS based on the vehicle and not receiver, Ford needs to go back to the drawing board. That would be really sad for a full size truck.
05-16-2019, 11:15 PM
#24
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Just checked the 2019 Ram 1500 towing guide. Tongue weight capacity is 1,100 lbs and WDH is only "recommended" for over 5000 lbs total trailer weight. No requirement and nothing based on tongue weight. Only total weight and then it's "recommended."
Maybe I should have bought a Ram? More than double the tongue weight capacity.
I think the light payload stats and ridiculously low receiver ratings are just Ford's equivalent of CYA. They are looking after themselves at the expense of leaving the consumer more vulnerable to litigation.
The new Ranger is proof of the absurdity. The darn thing has higher non-WDH tow ratings than the F150!
Maybe I should have bought a Ram? More than double the tongue weight capacity.
I think the light payload stats and ridiculously low receiver ratings are just Ford's equivalent of CYA. They are looking after themselves at the expense of leaving the consumer more vulnerable to litigation.
The new Ranger is proof of the absurdity. The darn thing has higher non-WDH tow ratings than the F150!
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kehyler (05-17-2019)
05-17-2019, 08:00 AM
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05-17-2019, 10:17 AM
#28
Read and Understand the SAE J2807 and you will find the information on WHY the receiver has a 5000 pound limit. Its based on the 33% of trucks Ford plans to sell, not the receiver limit, the truck limit. The above doc's state it in plain English. The Manufacturer determines the maximum Weight Carrying the vehicle can handle under J2807.
In the OM it clearly states 5000 bumper weight maximum. J2807 Clearly stated 10% trailer weight on the ball as the standard, which means that 500 pounds is the limit for safe handling on the F150. I know that dropping 650 pounds on the ball makes the front end very light on at least the 4x4 Screw 145", enough that I would not feel safe driving it very far.
Putting an aftermarket receiver will not gain you anymore than 500/5000 because that is set by the truck!
In the OM it clearly states 5000 bumper weight maximum. J2807 Clearly stated 10% trailer weight on the ball as the standard, which means that 500 pounds is the limit for safe handling on the F150. I know that dropping 650 pounds on the ball makes the front end very light on at least the 4x4 Screw 145", enough that I would not feel safe driving it very far.
Putting an aftermarket receiver will not gain you anymore than 500/5000 because that is set by the truck!
05-17-2019, 10:22 AM
#29
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Read and Understand the SAE J2807 and you will find the information on WHY the receiver has a 5000 pound limit. Its based on the 33% of trucks Ford plans to sell, not the receiver limit, the truck limit. The above doc's state it in plain English. The Manufacturer determines the maximum Weight Carrying the vehicle can handle under J2807.
In the OM it clearly states 5000 bumper weight maximum. J2807 Clearly stated 10% trailer weight on the ball as the standard, which means that 500 pounds is the limit for safe handling on the F150. I know that dropping 650 pounds on the ball makes the front end very light on at least the 4x4 Screw 145", enough that I would not feel safe driving it very far.
Putting an aftermarket receiver will not gain you anymore than 500/5000 because that is set by the truck!
In the OM it clearly states 5000 bumper weight maximum. J2807 Clearly stated 10% trailer weight on the ball as the standard, which means that 500 pounds is the limit for safe handling on the F150. I know that dropping 650 pounds on the ball makes the front end very light on at least the 4x4 Screw 145", enough that I would not feel safe driving it very far.
Putting an aftermarket receiver will not gain you anymore than 500/5000 because that is set by the truck!
05-17-2019, 10:59 AM
#30
No one knows. Well someone at Ford knows, but no one here knows. These debates have become stupid. It could be as simple as the Ford marketing department wanted to beat the Colorado so they rated the Ranger 50lbs higher. It could be that Ford is too lazy to calculate limits for every trim of F150 so they rate them all 500/5000. It could be as complex as the truck really cant handle more than 500lbs due to suspension geometry and physics.
Really the reason doesn't matter. The truck is rated at 500/5000lbs weight carrying. Yes it is low compared to other 1/2 tons and the ranger. Chose to follow the ratings or chose not to. Either way no one on this forum is going to be able to tell you the WHY behind the rating. We are all just guessing. Some of us are making educated guesses...some are saying "I saw Bob up the street tow a 12,000lb dump trailer /w his F150 so it must be ok".
Well I feel better now. I think I am going to go hitch up my boat - which is over 5000lbs - and head to the lake. I hope the truck doesn't fall apart on the ramp.