Originally Posted by 5.0GN tow

Not sure if its true or not, but my local dealer service guy(he has been there almost 20years and tows a lot too), told me the max tow is really about worthless over the standard tow and HD payload package. They come out pretty even except mirrors and controller. I added the controller and for my trailer, the standard mirrors work out ok. I might get some at some point, but adding the controller took me less than 30 min, and they flashed it for me for nothing while doing my oil change. I just have the class IV tow, but the hitch is not a huge deal for me as I use the GN ball which has to be added anyway. With the STX, I got enough payload to keep me in line with the numbers. I think the super cooling comes with the tow package, I think per my guy they are the same cooling set up with either tow package. The springs would be stiffer with max tow and with HD package.

Originally Posted by 5.0GN tow

EcoboostKev, I would not go quite so far with the numbers as you go, the ECO is good, but you wont feel 380lbs down at 1800, plus and I have an Eco in my Lincoln and can say this honestly, I dont think the eco is as strong down low off the line as is reported. Those numbers dont show up in real life like on an engine dyno, you have to get turbos spooling and until about 2K+ most wheel dynos show it being hard pressed to show the torque claimed. When I roll the Lincoln, it seems to build torque very well, but is like most turbos, feeling a little laggy unless you brake and gas to keep revs up first. Its the nature of the beast even in diesels, they just mask it with bigger cubes.

I like both engines, but dont count the 5.0 short on internals, with a forged crank and cross bolted mains, it also has the largest oil capacity of any of the truck motors, with nearly 8 quarts in there to help keep things cool under heavy load work. While I grant you its not as torquey as the eco, its still no slouch, and is very under rated by Ford.

Originally Posted by EcoboostKev

I'm glad your happy with your 5.0. It is a great engine in it's own right but no matter what you say it just will not tow as well as the Ecoboost. You can't compare a Lincoln SUV to a F150 setup for towing. Just like MikeUp compares his 5.0 to 3 ecoboost he took for a 5 minute test drive with nothing in tow. All I can say is please tow your trailer up some steep hills with one that has 3.73 gears then come back and give your honest opinion on the engines performance.

Originally Posted by Mike Up

HATERS are always going to HATE.

Originally Posted by Mike Up

HATERS are always going to HATE.

Originally Posted by 5.0GN tow

Not sure if its true or not, but my local dealer service guy(he has been there almost 20years and tows a lot too), told me the max tow is really about worthless over the standard tow and HD payload package. They come out pretty even except mirrors and controller. I added the controller and for my trailer, the standard mirrors work out ok. I might get some at some point, but adding the controller took me less than 30 min, and they flashed it for me for nothing while doing my oil change. I just have the class IV tow, but the hitch is not a huge deal for me as I use the GN ball which has to be added anyway. With the STX, I got enough payload to keep me in line with the numbers. I think the super cooling comes with the tow package, I think per my guy they are the same cooling set up with either tow package. The springs would be stiffer with max tow and with HD package.

Originally Posted by Mike Up

There is 3 stages of radiators. No tow package radiator, Standard Tow package radiator, and Max Tow package Radiator. So you do get better cooling with the Max Tow Package over the Standard Tow package. The rear axle goes up to 4050 lbs from the standard 3850 lbs axle. The hitch receiver is more robust and it's ratings go up to 11,500/1150 lbs from the standard 10500/1050 lbs. The Standard mirrors are to small for my trailer as I can't see down the trailer or around it. I had to buy **** Custom tow mirrors that slide over the original mirrors. Had the trailer brake controller put in at the factory. All of these things are significant to me but to others towing different trailers, maybe not.

Originally Posted by Lt_Nuge

So I am somewhat confused with this. My 2011 is not a max tow as far as I know (Lariat, no tow mirrors and 20" wheels) here is pic of the door sticker.

Originally Posted by Mike Up

Standard 157" WB comes with 3850 lbs rear axle and 3900 lbs front axle. For some reason, when fitted with 20" wheels, the rear axle is upgraded to the 4050 lbs axle. You actually have the max axle ratings available for a NONE HD Payload truck.

What's your payload rating on the yellow sticker below the white one you posted?? I bet it's lower due to having a heavy truck.