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Old 04-05-2017, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Great white
If youre going to do it, then just go do it.

You're not going to get support for towing a Ton (or more!) over the limits, even more so without having trailer brakes.

But since you asked: I would not.

Hire a dump truck and do it in a couple loads at most.


1 load? I might attempt it at the right time of day with someone else in an escort vehicle to make sure the road is clear.

But you're talking about 16-20 trips??? no way am I doing that. A dump truck isn't that expensive. Or hell, go rent a F350+ for a day. Or go to the dealer and ask for a 24hr test drive.



on a side note...Is your trailer rated for that also?
Old 04-05-2017, 09:17 AM
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I did it once with a 3/4t Ram 2500. Discovered the surge brakes on the loaded dump trailer was non functioning and I warped the hell out of the rotors trying to stop the thing. I had to have all four rotors trued after that fiasco.
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Originally Posted by FLSTFI Dave
NO!

Pulling it is not the issue. STOPPING it is the issue. I believe it is illegal in every state to tow more than 5K with out trailer brakes.

If some one stops quick in front of you, and you have no trailer brakes, and are overloaded and rear end them, it will not be good for you. Their layers will have a very easy case against you for damages and much more.
I didn't know that it is illegal to pull a 5k+ load without trailer brake. thank you for the info, i will have to check my state low
Old 04-05-2017, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by SixShooter14


1 load? I might attempt it at the right time of day with someone else in an escort vehicle to make sure the road is clear.

But you're talking about 16-20 trips??? no way am I doing that. A dump truck isn't that expensive. Or hell, go rent a F350+ for a day. Or go to the dealer and ask for a 24hr test drive.



on a side note...Is your trailer rated for that also?

haha like the test drive part. According to the guy i am renting the trailer from it is a 14000 trailer - google said 1 cu yard of dirt is 2000lbs and you can fit 7 cu yard which equal 14000. but i don't think you should put this much in it
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Originally Posted by Ricktwuhk
Anyone know the phone number for the authorities in Mandan, North Dakota?

Funny I should update my location
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Thank you every one for the responses, dump truck charges 100 dollars to deliver it and 60 for the dirt per load = 160. vs less than 60 per equal load.. I am going to talk to a buddy of mine to see if we can use his 2500. might be my best bet.

Thank you again
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Originally Posted by moend
haha like the test drive part. According to the guy i am renting the trailer from it is a 14000 trailer - google said 1 cu yard of dirt is 2000lbs and you can fit 7 cu yard which equal 14000. but i don't think you should put this much in it
That 14K pounds is probably the GVWR of the trailer, and the trailer likely weighs around 4K pounds. Putting 14k pounds of dirt in the trailer would grossly overload the trailer, and be double the "tow rating" of your truck. It would also be around 4 times the limit on the hitch tongue weight without a WDH. Even with the WDH, you would be around double the tongue weight and trailer weight rating of the hitch. You will almost certainly be a good ways over the RAWR and possibly over the weight rating of your wheel/tires. 20 loads at 8 miles/load is 160 miles. Would you pull even consider pulling that much weight 160 miles in one load?

Using the 2500 will be better than your F150, but I still wouldn't load the trailer to the max. 15k-18k is still pushing the limits of a 2500.
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Originally Posted by moend
I didn't know that it is illegal to pull a 5k+ load without trailer brake. thank you for the info, i will have to check my state low
5,000 pounds is NOT correct. It's 3,000 pounds in nearly all states (except Alaska and a handful of others). North Dakota's rules are different, but in fact requires that the safety chains must apply the brakes if it brakes away, which is even more restrictive. http://drivinglaws.aaa.com/tag/trailer-brakes/

Further, any trailer without brakes cannot exceed 40% of the gross weight of the towing vehicle. 3,000 / .4 = 7,500, so that's an issue with an F-150.

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Originally Posted by Ricktwuhk
Anyone know the phone number for the authorities in Mandan, North ?
I find it very funny that you make a big deal about the OP and anybody else that tows heavy but at the same time you brag about hauling 8.6 tons with your truck.

Yes he shouldn't tow that much without trailer brakes but why be a jerk?
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Originally Posted by Ricktwuhk
5,000 pounds is NOT correct. It's 3,000 pounds in nearly all states (except Alaska and a handful of others). North Dakota's rules are different, but in fact requires that the safety chains must apply the brakes if it brakes away, which is even more restrictive. http://drivinglaws.aaa.com/tag/trailer-brakes/

Further, any trailer without brakes cannot exceed 40% of the gross weight of the towing vehicle. 3,000 / .4 = 7,500, so that's not an issue with an F-150.
Um. Wouldn't that mean it IS a problem for most F150s (3,000lb trailer w/o brakes)? Most F150's have a GVWR that is less than 7500lb.



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