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I think so too based on what mine weighed in at with a lower payload. I also have a 2 horse BP, since the horses are centered on the axles, they really have no effect on pin/tongue weight. Of all the trailers I pulled, my BP 2 horse is the smoothest pulling trailer.
I agree, no contest my 3H GN Sooner is the truest, smoothest and least sway prone trailer I have ever pulled.
This is great information and very much on the level of what we are thinking.
We have looked at both the flagstaff expandable and the flagstaff microlite (Rockwoods cousin). We liked them both an the wieght is much better. We had some conscerns with the expandable as in heating and cooling, water leakage, and maintenence cost due to tent replacement. How long have you owned yours and how is it holding up?
Love Fall Creek Falls btw!
Before the Roo, I had a Rockwood 1610 popup for ten years, 16,000 towed miles, and used it a lot. The soft ends are the same material, but improved in the new Roo and Flagstaff models, as they are permanently attached to the fold down beds. It provides a much better view and feeling of being with nature in the hybrid. There are some condensation issues over the fold out bunks when camping in colder weather at times, but using the roof vents while showering/range hood when cooking or doing dishes, a quick swipe to dry with a towel, along with adding the popular pop-up-gizmo bunk end covers during the cold, minimizes the problem. I never had to replace the bunk end tenting in the 10 years I used the popup, and don't ever anticipate having to replace those in the Roo. I do keep them in garage/indoor storage through the winter months (early December through late March or early April). Cooling in the summer with the roof-mounted ducted AC and floor-ducted heating in the winter is no problem down into the mid-20's. The heated mattresses are great! I usually go on my last camping trip of the year for Thanksgiving at a campground in Northern Kentucky.
I initially had a slight leak in the hybrid bunk end doors when parked between trips (it caused a pooling of a cup or so of water in the folded vinyl canvas, but no damage). A warranty-paid adjustment by the dealer tightened the latches on the bunk-end doors and no problem since. With any camper, careful attention to maintenance is important to check seals/caulking and prevent water intrusion. The leakage/delamination discussed in the Forest River forums seems to be for the older models.
I have about 4700 miles on mine so far since delivery in April 2014 (one of the first 2015 models made) and plan another 1200 miles/nine day trip this month. I special ordered it so I could get the heated tanks, stainless steel appliance package, pick which fabric combination we wanted, dark cherry woodwork, extra vent hood, convenience package, tinted glass, microwave, power awning, aluminum wheels, I ordered it from the dealer on January 22nd and it arrived April 22nd. Since my dealer was a high-volume Indiana dealer close to the manufacturing plant, your delivery time to Tennessee could take a bit longer.
The floor space on the 21SS is fantastic, especially with a new granddaughter, there is lots of room for a pack-n-play, play on the floor, setting up a high-chair, etc.
Only disadvantages to the Forest River (Flagstaff/Rockwood/Shamrock hybrids: The folding bunk-end queen mattresses are lacking comfort; some use mattress toppers and I plan to have a custom mattress made locally.
Well mine is 7 lug but it is a HD payload package. I think for this gen of truck all the 9.75 are 7 lug. How about the smaller trailer and a tent to carry for putting junk in on rainy days? Give you more room in the trailer.
Really love mine. Will tow 9,300lb (rated) and carry 2,200lb. It is long though.
I love to tell people to count the lugs.
Towing is a very technical profession as it calls for a number of safety measures which have to be followed strictly. Especially moving heavy objects from one position to another, demands utmost care. If you plan to tow a vehicle or any other object, there are some important things you should take to make towing completely safe.
So that is some really detailed info. That is on the line that I was looking for. It sounds like I should be able to swap the gears and gain the additional towing capacity with my truck. I will be looking for some Ford dealers in the area who are experienced with modifications.
What I am saying is you really wont need any mods to comfortably do what you are doing wanting to do. As long as you have the tow package and 3.55s you should be fine. I tow heavy a lot, read 500 or more miles a week. My truck with 3.55s has been towing at max or a little over at this point weekly for over two years. No issues at all. If do anything add some air bags or go up to the HDPP springs, it wont change the stickered payload, but it will handle the load better. I really dont think with the 4050 GAWR you will need to, since other than wheels you are at a 4220 spring pack.
quick question, you mention going up to the hdpp springs. would that be getting helpers springs like supersprings or do they actually sell the hddp spring pack somewhere?
forgive me if I'm wrong. But, does it really matter what upgrades you make to your truck? Can you get your Payload, GVWR, GCWR, or GAWRs updated for the upgrades? If not, then you're still going to be legally overloaded and SOL in case of an accident.
I agree that the upgrades will make it safer and more comfortable to tow/haul. But legally, I see no help.
08-03-2016, 09:55 PM
