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Must be nice to live in a perfect world!!! But I hate to tell you not everything is black and white in fact it's usually grey! Any engineer will tell you that the numbers are usually just a guide. Stop being an *** and come on down to the real world we only go around once...
I don't live in a perfect world, but I do make choices that are smart and safe, and wouldn't knowingly purchase or tow a trailer that I KNOW is 1,000 lbs over the rating. As you say, ratings and payloads are only "guides" which you can freely exceed, so who's the one that out of touch with reality here? I'm guessing you drive as fast as you want too because those speed limit signs are only "guides"?
Guides and ratings are not the same thing. Any supposed "engineer" who says that is not a real engineer.
Must be nice to live in a perfect world!!! But I hate to tell you not everything is black and white in fact it's usually grey! Any engineer will tell you that the numbers are usually just a guide. Stop being an *** and come on down to the real world we only go around once...
I'm not getting in the middle of your spat but as a degreed engineer with over 40 years experience, I ask you not to misquote or put words in anyone's mouth. It's this kind of internet hyperbole that people take as fact and consequently get hurt.
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I'm not getting in the middle of your spat but as a degreed engineer with over 40 years experience, I ask you not to misquote or put words in anyone's mouth. It's this kind of internet hyperbole that people take as fact and consequently get hurt.
Engineer here as well. Numbers are not guides, they are in effect a "not to exceed" amount and can be considered a line in the sand not to be crossed unless you wish to endanger yourself and others. Yes there is safety margin built into the number for a reason, that reason is safety.
Engineer here as well. Numbers are not guides, they are in effect a "not to exceed" amount and can be considered a line in the sand not to be crossed unless you wish to endanger yourself and others. Yes there is safety margin built into the number for a reason, that reason is safety.
BRAVO! as a retired firefighter/EMT, i've seen many that exceed the capabilities of their vehicles, causing death, injuries and ruined lives. as firefighters, we have to follow the specs of the equipment we use, whether it's vehicles, ropes, rigging, personal protective gear and many more things, because our lives and the public's lives depend on it.
I have a HDPP 2013. The ride quality is the same as a regular F150 with LT tires on it. Even with the HDPP I still added timbrens as a helper.
With that said, my timbrens sits with a clearance of 3/4 inch when the truck is empty. It I put 650 lbs on the tongue without a WDH the timbrens barely if at all make contact. So the HDPP does help a lot for sag. Brakes are a different issue. F150 acceptable but the f250/f350 are definitely better.
I have a HDPP 2013. The ride quality is the same as a regular F150 with LT tires on it. Even with the HDPP I still added timbrens as a helper.
With that said, my timbrens sits with a clearance of 3/4 inch when the truck is empty. It I put 650 lbs on the tongue without a WDH the timbrens barely if at all make contact. So the HDPP does help a lot for sag. Brakes are a different issue. F150 acceptable but the f250/f350 are definitely better.
jeffinthebag, that is really helpful—thanks. Our trips next year are over several mountain passes. I am in no way worried about the 150’s ability to tow. I am worried about payload and about stopping quickly. My whole family will be in the truck.
So at this point I’m looking at gas 250s, where I don’t have to worry about payload and the brakes are more than adequate.
The more I look at stuff like this the better an F250 with the 6.2 gas engine looks. With the added costs of a diesel engine and fuel, the poor fuel mileage anymore, the need for DEF, and high maintenance costs I wouldn't go with the diesel. An F250 with gas engine is only slightly more expensive, maybe less expensive, than an F150 equipped to tow 10,000 lbs. They don't ride that bad and while fuel mileage will be a little worse than the 3.5 EB I don't think it is that bad.
I have the HDPP you are asking about - 2018 HDPP crew lariat. My payload is 2333lb.
I tow a 6000lb trailer about 4-5 times a year.
The HDPP is a terrific half ton tow vehicle. It tows exponentially better than my 2016 XLT, same motor and wheel base.
However, my primary reason for staying 150 over 250 was fuel economy and ride quality. The HDPP is a firmer ride than my XLT... and it rides more like a 250 than a 150.
My 150 is also our primary road trip vehicle, even unloaded, so overall fuel economy is important to me.
If if you plan to tow exclusively, especially for months at a time, the 250 6.2 will probably get the same, or even better MPG than my 3.5, so fuel
economy is a wash. The 250 will tow better and ride better under load too.
Plus, a 250 gas will be the about the price as a HDPP. Seems like a no brainer to me!
2018 HDPP. 7100 loaded TT, about 1100lbs TW 33ft long., 5 passengers including me. In the bed: 12.5 ft inflatable boat, 6hp outboard motor, electric motor, group 27 deep cycle battery, 20lbs LPG tank, LPG burner with pan, 5 mountain bikes, 1 road bike, about 500lbs. Tows like a dream. Went on a 6000km trip this summer. 2446lbs payload. Within limits everywhere.
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