Tow rating for 2018 f150 heavy duty payload package
#11
I believe it is 11,400 with 17" wheels and 11,500 with 18" wheels. Not that it makes much of a difference. I wonder what the hitch will be rated at?
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Grumpy Old Man
There are 4 applicable weight ratings you must be concerned with if you don't want to be overloaded when towing:
1] Receiver hitch weight capacity
2] GVWR (used to compute payload capacity) of the tow vehicle
3] GCWR (used to compute tow rating) of the tow vehicle
4] rear GAWR of the tow vehicle
The sticker on the frame of the receiver will tell you the max tongue weight and trailer weight the tow vehicle can have without exceeding the weight limits of the hitch. But it doesn't address tow rating (the max weight of the trailer the drivetrain can tow without exceeding the GCWR of the tow vehicle), or payload capacity available for hitch weight (the max hitch weight the payload capacity of the tow vehicle can handle without exceeding he GVWR of the tow vehicle). And on some F-150s, the rGAWR is the limiter.
The limiter as to how much trailer weight you can tow is whichever of those 4 different weight limits results in the least trailer weight. On an F-150, the GVWR is usually the limiter, but on some the rGAWR is the limiter. And on some with the stock V6 engine, the GCWR may be the limiter. With a weight-distributing (WD) hitch, the receiver is rarely the limiter. But without a WD hitch, the receiver is often the limiter.
Last edited by smokeywren; 09-15-2017 at 12:10 PM.
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Simnut (09-15-2017)
#15
I have 17 HDPP 157" Screw 5.0L payload over 2,500lbs.
I tow about 1,000lbs over GCWR for my truck.
I drag a 41.5ft triple axle 12,000b loaded 5er toy hauler with my F150HDPP. Does great!
The push/pull passing and getting passed by semis is not that noticeable. I think its the triple axles that help it stay so stable.
I tow about 1,000lbs over GCWR for my truck.
I drag a 41.5ft triple axle 12,000b loaded 5er toy hauler with my F150HDPP. Does great!
The push/pull passing and getting passed by semis is not that noticeable. I think its the triple axles that help it stay so stable.
#16
The reason why the HDPP truck tow ratings did not increase for 2018 and the regular trucks did is because you are required to have 20" wheels to get the 18400 lb GCWR. The HDPP trucks only have 17 and 18" wheels and are therefore limited to 17,100 lbs like they were last year. I think ford just did some finagling to make the leap to 13,200 lbs and that was by testing a truck with a very specific set of options(supercrew, 6.5' bed, 20" wheels, etc etc). They have made it far more confusing then ever to hit max GCWR because you cannot just spec the max-tow package and be done. It also appears they have what they call a "Max Duty Tow Package" listed in the owners manual as well as max-tow but it is not an option you can pick in the build and price.
Quote from the build and price:
They have also upgraded the RAWR for 2018 on the max-tow trucks with 20" wheels. In 2017 it was 3800 lbs, and it appears this year they upped it to 4050 lbs. This means it likey runs stiffer springs too.
And yes I can see the HDPP truck towing better seeing as it runs much stiffer springs, shocks and has a thicker frame cross section and heavier axle. The truck should be more ridgid and weigh more than an equally optioned truck without HDPP.
Quote from the build and price:
Max GCWR/Max Tow achieved on SuperCrew® when equipped with 20-inch Wheels. This configuration will also come equipped with max springs, steering gear, and upgraded stabilizer bar.
And yes I can see the HDPP truck towing better seeing as it runs much stiffer springs, shocks and has a thicker frame cross section and heavier axle. The truck should be more ridgid and weigh more than an equally optioned truck without HDPP.
Last edited by mass-hole; 09-19-2017 at 12:32 PM.
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Member
The LT tires from the factory will also provide increased stability over the P rated tires on the non-HDPP trucks.
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The reason why the HDPP truck tow ratings did not increase for 2018 and the regular trucks did is because you are required to have 20" wheels to get the 18400 lb GCWR. The HDPP trucks only have 17 and 18" wheels and are therefore limited to 17,100 lbs like they were last year. I think ford just did some finagling to make the leap to 13,200 lbs and that was by testing a truck with a very specific set of options(supercrew, 6.5' bed, 20" wheels, etc etc). They have made it far more confusing then ever to hit max GCWR because you cannot just spec the max-tow package and be done. It also appears they have what they call a "Max Duty Tow Package" listed in the owners manual as well as max-tow but it is not an option you can pick in the build and price.
Quote from the build and price:
They have also upgraded the RAWR for 2018 on the max-tow trucks with 20" wheels. In 2017 it was 3800 lbs, and it appears this year they upped it to 4050 lbs. This means it likey runs stiffer springs too.
And yes I can see the HDPP truck towing better seeing as it runs much stiffer springs, shocks and has a thicker frame cross section and heavier axle. The truck should be more ridgid and weigh more than an equally optioned truck without HDPP.
Quote from the build and price:
They have also upgraded the RAWR for 2018 on the max-tow trucks with 20" wheels. In 2017 it was 3800 lbs, and it appears this year they upped it to 4050 lbs. This means it likey runs stiffer springs too.
And yes I can see the HDPP truck towing better seeing as it runs much stiffer springs, shocks and has a thicker frame cross section and heavier axle. The truck should be more ridgid and weigh more than an equally optioned truck without HDPP.
My HDPP Screw weighs 5,320lbs with a full 36gal tank of gas. Its a lightly optioned XLT. The lighter the truck the higher the payload and the higher the tow rating will be.
Most people think the heavier the TV the better and that the new aluminum body f150s are too light to handle a heavier trailer. What most people dont remember is a 1997 F350 diesel dually only weighs 5,300lbs and has a GCWR of 20,000lbs with 4.10:1 gears. This means a technologically disadvantage 5,300lb truck could safely tow a 14,500+lb trailer back in the 90s.
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Simnut (09-19-2017)
#19
The weight of the truck depends on the amount of options added to it.
My HDPP Screw weighs 5,320lbs with a full 36gal tank of gas. Its a lightly optioned XLT. The lighter the truck the higher the payload and the higher the tow rating will be.
Most people think the heavier the TV the better and that the new aluminum body f150s are too light to handle a heavier trailer. What most people dont remember is a 1997 F350 diesel dually only weighs 5,300lbs and has a GCWR of 20,000lbs with 4.10:1 gears. This means a technologically disadvantage 5,300lb truck could safely tow a 14,500+lb trailer back in the 90s.
My HDPP Screw weighs 5,320lbs with a full 36gal tank of gas. Its a lightly optioned XLT. The lighter the truck the higher the payload and the higher the tow rating will be.
Most people think the heavier the TV the better and that the new aluminum body f150s are too light to handle a heavier trailer. What most people dont remember is a 1997 F350 diesel dually only weighs 5,300lbs and has a GCWR of 20,000lbs with 4.10:1 gears. This means a technologically disadvantage 5,300lb truck could safely tow a 14,500+lb trailer back in the 90s.
Your truck without HDPP would probably be about 5000 lbs.
Its hard to compare a 1997 F350 to a modern truck since there was no oversight on towing capacities. For all I know the F350 towed like crap. My neighbor had a 1998 PSD F350 SRW to tow a 10,000 lb trailer/mini excavator and the thing struggled.
Last edited by mass-hole; 09-19-2017 at 01:43 PM.
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"Most people think the heavier the TV the better"
No thinking about, a heavier TV is less likely to become unstable than a lighter one. It's a fact based on physics. I must include with all others things being equal.
No thinking about, a heavier TV is less likely to become unstable than a lighter one. It's a fact based on physics. I must include with all others things being equal.
Last edited by 8100hd; 09-19-2017 at 01:52 PM.