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03-08-2017, 11:19 AM
#61
3 Ecoboosts, 4 Super Duty's, I assume including your new 2017 Super Duty and now ordering a new F150?
Well, you either know exactly what you're doing or you're completely clueless or you have enough money that it doesn't matter.
Presuming you get your new F150 this year, in 2017. That means since 2011 (1st year of Ecoboost) including your newly ordered F150, you will have had 4 F150's and at least 1 Super Duty, 5 trucks, in a 6 year time period.
Whatever you do for a living? Sign me up!
Well, you either know exactly what you're doing or you're completely clueless or you have enough money that it doesn't matter.
Presuming you get your new F150 this year, in 2017. That means since 2011 (1st year of Ecoboost) including your newly ordered F150, you will have had 4 F150's and at least 1 Super Duty, 5 trucks, in a 6 year time period.
Whatever you do for a living? Sign me up!
I have had three F150 ecoboosts and four SD's. I have had this new '17 SD for less than two months and already have another F150 on order. The SD rides rough. The steering is awful (go search for my posts in the '17 SD section). Fuel economy around town on the SD is 3-4 mpg worse than the ecoboost. Unloaded hwy the ecoboost wins. Towing the SD winds by 10-25% depending upon the load. The ecoboosts will outrun the SD diesel in a heartbeat.
I sold my '16 F150 ecoboost because in NM with 112 degrees the truck's IAT2 got to 180 degrees. The PCM pulled timing by 3 degrees so I was way low on power. My previous '13 ecoboost had a Wagner CAC that dropped air temps tremendously but they didn't have one available for the '16. Wagner is coming out with their CAC in April so it will be the first thing done to the new truck.
If you are going to tow all of the time or very heavy then get the SD, otherwise keep your F150 or consider a 158" WB with the 3.5 EB. Not only do you get a longer WB for stability, but more power and a 10 speed tranny designed to keep you in the powerband when towing.
If you upgrade to a SD get the F350. You can get a 10k GVWR version (same truck just different sticker) then in most states you can tow up to 16k lbs without a CDL
I sold my '16 F150 ecoboost because in NM with 112 degrees the truck's IAT2 got to 180 degrees. The PCM pulled timing by 3 degrees so I was way low on power. My previous '13 ecoboost had a Wagner CAC that dropped air temps tremendously but they didn't have one available for the '16. Wagner is coming out with their CAC in April so it will be the first thing done to the new truck.
If you are going to tow all of the time or very heavy then get the SD, otherwise keep your F150 or consider a 158" WB with the 3.5 EB. Not only do you get a longer WB for stability, but more power and a 10 speed tranny designed to keep you in the powerband when towing.
If you upgrade to a SD get the F350. You can get a 10k GVWR version (same truck just different sticker) then in most states you can tow up to 16k lbs without a CDL
03-08-2017, 12:55 PM
#63
3 Ecoboosts, 4 Super Duty's, I assume including your new 2017 Super Duty and now ordering a new F150?
Well, you either know exactly what you're doing or you're completely clueless or you have enough money that it doesn't matter.
Presuming you get your new F150 this year, in 2017. That means since 2011 (1st year of Ecoboost) including your newly ordered F150, you will have had 4 F150's and at least 1 Super Duty, 5 trucks, in a 6 year time period.
Whatever you do for a living? Sign me up!
Well, you either know exactly what you're doing or you're completely clueless or you have enough money that it doesn't matter.
Presuming you get your new F150 this year, in 2017. That means since 2011 (1st year of Ecoboost) including your newly ordered F150, you will have had 4 F150's and at least 1 Super Duty, 5 trucks, in a 6 year time period.
Whatever you do for a living? Sign me up!
2013 F250 PSD
2013 F150 eco
2015 F350 PSD
2016 F150 eco
2017 F350 PSD
2017 F150 eco - built yesterday and awaiting shipment
Johndeerefarmer
03-10-2017, 08:18 AM
#64
Senior Member
I dont understand why they do that. Low level lariat trim is as high as you can go. I feel like they should offer the HDPP up to the Platinum trim since they are generally special order anyways. You could have a fully loaded truck and still have over 2,000 lbs of payload. A few of the guys around here with lariats and XLT's are at 2400+
03-10-2017, 09:11 AM
#65
Senior Member
It makes no sense for Ford or any other manufacturer to build a heavy-duty payload truck and then use a lot of that payload up with very weighty options. Power running boards, moon roof, chrome package, skid plates, etc., use up a lot of payload. A limited, platinum, or King Ranch HDPP makes no sense. You either buy a truck for performance or buy a truck for grocery/getting looks and comforts.
Are you saying that if I buy a heavy equipped truck to pull my TT across the country for travel that should not be able to have all the amenities I want?
Just because I tow heavy or haul heavy does not mean that I should not want to have nice options for my truck.
03-10-2017, 09:15 AM
#66
It makes no sense for Ford or any other manufacturer to build a heavy-duty payload truck and then use a lot of that payload up with very weighty options. Power running boards, moon roof, chrome package, skid plates, etc., use up a lot of payload. A limited, platinum, or King Ranch HDPP makes no sense. You either buy a truck for performance or buy a truck for grocery/getting looks and comforts.
If a F150 fully loaded Lariat had a payload of 1600 lbs and a fully loaded HDPP Lariat had a payload 500 lbs higher, it makes perfect sense to sell it. This gives guys like me that tow a fiver or gooseneck the additional capacity that we need to handle the pin weight without having to add air bags, better shocks, tires etc to handle our loads.
03-10-2017, 09:47 AM
#67
Senior Member
Originally Posted by Dirttracker18
I could not disagree more.
Are you saying that if I buy a heavy equipped truck to pull my TT across the country for travel that should not be able to have all the amenities I want?
Just because I tow heavy or haul heavy does not mean that I should not want to have nice options for my truck.
Are you saying that if I buy a heavy equipped truck to pull my TT across the country for travel that should not be able to have all the amenities I want?
Just because I tow heavy or haul heavy does not mean that I should not want to have nice options for my truck.
03-10-2017, 10:08 AM
#68
Senior Member
Originally Posted by johndeerefarmer
That's like saying you shouldn't be able to buy a KR or Platinum SD because you "wasted" part of the payload with options.
If a F150 fully loaded Lariat had a payload of 1600 lbs and a fully loaded HDPP Lariat had a payload 500 lbs higher, it makes perfect sense to sell it. This gives guys like me that tow a fiver or gooseneck the additional capacity that we need to handle the pin weight without having to add air bags, better shocks, tires etc to handle our loads.
If a F150 fully loaded Lariat had a payload of 1600 lbs and a fully loaded HDPP Lariat had a payload 500 lbs higher, it makes perfect sense to sell it. This gives guys like me that tow a fiver or gooseneck the additional capacity that we need to handle the pin weight without having to add air bags, better shocks, tires etc to handle our loads.
I think as a society we have become too luxury motivated, lazy, and less tough and masculine. The words massaging seats and truck don't deserve to be in the same sentence. We can't even crank up or down our own windows any more? It is too tough to change our radio station without voice commands? We can't bother to check our own mirrors before changing lanes and instead need a computer to check for us?
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kfilla (03-18-2017)
03-10-2017, 10:46 AM
#69
Senior Member
Too funny.... Nice discussion though.
I've never had a trim level above XLT in any of my trucks. Won't likely ever do so. I cannot stand leather ANYTHING in vehicle. My 2012 HDPP was a XLT trim. Few options that didn't have to do with towing and hauling as that is the job it was built to do.
My 2016 PSD is the same, XLT, few options.
I'll never understand Moon roof etc in a truck that is largely for hauling. That said if it is a grocery getter sure.
100% to each their own though.
Ford made the decision to restrict the HDPP option wise, so if you want one you'll have to sacrifice the creature comforts. If you want to haul heavy and don't like to lose out on all those items then move up to a PSD and don't look back.
I've never had a trim level above XLT in any of my trucks. Won't likely ever do so. I cannot stand leather ANYTHING in vehicle. My 2012 HDPP was a XLT trim. Few options that didn't have to do with towing and hauling as that is the job it was built to do.
My 2016 PSD is the same, XLT, few options.
I'll never understand Moon roof etc in a truck that is largely for hauling. That said if it is a grocery getter sure.
100% to each their own though.
Ford made the decision to restrict the HDPP option wise, so if you want one you'll have to sacrifice the creature comforts. If you want to haul heavy and don't like to lose out on all those items then move up to a PSD and don't look back.
03-10-2017, 09:13 PM
#70
What I can't stand is in order to get something like LED headlights, you have to go max package 502a. It is so hard to find something like a 501a, no moon roof, with 36 gallon tank and tow package.
Then just about every 502a has the moonroof, power running boards, tech package, and all the other toys.
Sad part, the payload difference between a 501a and 502a is less than 100#. Can't blame Ford for what is on the lots, someone built them at the dealer thinking, this is what will sell. They are usually right because most people don't want to wait for an order to be built.
Then just about every 502a has the moonroof, power running boards, tech package, and all the other toys.
Sad part, the payload difference between a 501a and 502a is less than 100#. Can't blame Ford for what is on the lots, someone built them at the dealer thinking, this is what will sell. They are usually right because most people don't want to wait for an order to be built.