So many 1/2 tons towing 5th wheels
08-11-2018, 09:02 AM
#51
They can be pricey, but it was not over 100k. It stickered at 68k, but I got it for a lot less than that at Quarter Horse Congress. Best place to buy both trucks and trailers is at the Congress, tons of dealers bring huge inventory there. You can walk from one to another and work them against each other.
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08-11-2018, 10:07 AM
#52
Senior Member
Trouble is they're both in college now and I can't afford the new toy hauler I want........ Buy California rice, folks!!!
08-11-2018, 11:32 AM
#53
Ha! We got got our last kid moved out a couple months ago. I have to warn you though, its a tough adjustment. It must've taken me 24 hours to get used to it!
Trouble is they're both in college now and I can't afford the new toy hauler I want........ Buy California rice, folks!!!
Trouble is they're both in college now and I can't afford the new toy hauler I want........ Buy California rice, folks!!!
I hear that, my first starts college next week. Glad we bought when we did.!
08-11-2018, 12:27 PM
#54
Senior Member
(significant trimming by gbynum)
I don't disagree at all, but will point out that relocating "stuff" in the bed towards the tailgate will "better" (when trailer is not attached) allocate weight from the front to the rear axle. The 5 people are ROUGHLY evenly between the axles so their weights are ROUGHLY equally split between the axles.
Your trailer tongue weight will do the same ... which is why many recommend weighing with it attached as well.
Front Axle: 3400#
Front GAWR: 3450#
Remaining: 50# (This was shocking to me!)
Rear Axle: 2920#
Rear GAWR: 3800#
Remaining: 880#
Gross Truck Weight: 6320#
Gross Truck Rating: 7000#
Remaining: 680#
Once you factor in 150# per kid and the wife, all their junk they travel with (electronics, etc.), the cooler, and a tool box I keep in the back there isn't much else left.
Front GAWR: 3450#
Remaining: 50# (This was shocking to me!)
Rear Axle: 2920#
Rear GAWR: 3800#
Remaining: 880#
Gross Truck Weight: 6320#
Gross Truck Rating: 7000#
Remaining: 680#
Once you factor in 150# per kid and the wife, all their junk they travel with (electronics, etc.), the cooler, and a tool box I keep in the back there isn't much else left.
Your trailer tongue weight will do the same ... which is why many recommend weighing with it attached as well.
08-11-2018, 12:42 PM
#55
LOL, yeah the bottom one is 20k fully loaded to GVWR, and almost 14k empty. It runs on H load range 125psi 17.5 inch tires. The 6.7 tows it like a boss though. Fuel economy is ok at about 10 at 70 to 75 mph. Its more LQ than horse trailer really, the slide is 14ft long. 20ft of on the floor short wall side LQ, plus the nose. Just got done living in it for 2 weeks straight, got to say it was for sure worth it, and built far more heavy duty than a Fiver travel trailer.
Considering that anything Lariat trim and above, with the exception of the HDPP and some SCABs, has payloads 1700 and lower, if you see one of those with a 5th, it is a pretty good guess it is overweight. 15+ F150's XL trim, RCAB LB are the ones that can fit in that towing guide to tow a 5th wheel, it's in the fine print. Everything above it more than likely will not have the payload. A 7460# GVWR 5th has a pin at 1492# @20%. I know neither my 14, nor my 16 or my soon to be delivered 18 will have enough payload. That is a trailer lighter than what I have now. That 20% pin weight is the limiting factor. Ford states 15%, but that is the same as 10% on the BP, and I know towing with 10% on a BP is no joy. One of the "half ton towable" trailers I looked at is 7500 shipped, and they use 20% pin weights as the pin is 1500 shipped, it is a 10K GVWR trailer.
You really do need to decipher the towing guide, it takes hours to figure it out. Read the fine print though. You may have a truck with the correct combination to tow the maximum rated based on driveline, wheel base and gearing, but that doesn't mean the truck can. 5th wheel towing is about 2,000 pounds less than the maximum towing capacity listed. And if it is a 4WD, then it is even less. According to the towing guide, my Platinum should be capable of a 12,800 pound trailer based on engine, WB, and gearing with Max tow, but I can guarantee it cannot. It also states I can tow a 10,300 pound 5th wheel, I can guarantee it cannot. If it were an XL or XLT, then it more than likely can. I make no assumption when I see a high trim half ton pulling a 5th wheel and saying they are overloaded, because they are. Most of them are overloaded with a 7600 pound BP trailer!
08-11-2018, 04:07 PM
#56
Whats the PIN on that beast?
Considering that anything Lariat trim and above, with the exception of the HDPP and some SCABs, has payloads 1700 and lower, if you see one of those with a 5th, it is a pretty good guess it is overweight. 15+ F150's XL trim, RCAB LB are the ones that can fit in that towing guide to tow a 5th wheel, it's in the fine print. Everything above it more than likely will not have the payload. A 7460# GVWR 5th has a pin at 1492# @20%. I know neither my 14, nor my 16 or my soon to be delivered 18 will have enough payload. That is a trailer lighter than what I have now. That 20% pin weight is the limiting factor. Ford states 15%, but that is the same as 10% on the BP, and I know towing with 10% on a BP is no joy. One of the "half ton towable" trailers I looked at is 7500 shipped, and they use 20% pin weights as the pin is 1500 shipped, it is a 10K GVWR trailer.
You really do need to decipher the towing guide, it takes hours to figure it out. Read the fine print though. You may have a truck with the correct combination to tow the maximum rated based on driveline, wheel base and gearing, but that doesn't mean the truck can. 5th wheel towing is about 2,000 pounds less than the maximum towing capacity listed. And if it is a 4WD, then it is even less. According to the towing guide, my Platinum should be capable of a 12,800 pound trailer based on engine, WB, and gearing with Max tow, but I can guarantee it cannot. It also states I can tow a 10,300 pound 5th wheel, I can guarantee it cannot. If it were an XL or XLT, then it more than likely can. I make no assumption when I see a high trim half ton pulling a 5th wheel and saying they are overloaded, because they are. Most of them are overloaded with a 7600 pound BP trailer!
Considering that anything Lariat trim and above, with the exception of the HDPP and some SCABs, has payloads 1700 and lower, if you see one of those with a 5th, it is a pretty good guess it is overweight. 15+ F150's XL trim, RCAB LB are the ones that can fit in that towing guide to tow a 5th wheel, it's in the fine print. Everything above it more than likely will not have the payload. A 7460# GVWR 5th has a pin at 1492# @20%. I know neither my 14, nor my 16 or my soon to be delivered 18 will have enough payload. That is a trailer lighter than what I have now. That 20% pin weight is the limiting factor. Ford states 15%, but that is the same as 10% on the BP, and I know towing with 10% on a BP is no joy. One of the "half ton towable" trailers I looked at is 7500 shipped, and they use 20% pin weights as the pin is 1500 shipped, it is a 10K GVWR trailer.
You really do need to decipher the towing guide, it takes hours to figure it out. Read the fine print though. You may have a truck with the correct combination to tow the maximum rated based on driveline, wheel base and gearing, but that doesn't mean the truck can. 5th wheel towing is about 2,000 pounds less than the maximum towing capacity listed. And if it is a 4WD, then it is even less. According to the towing guide, my Platinum should be capable of a 12,800 pound trailer based on engine, WB, and gearing with Max tow, but I can guarantee it cannot. It also states I can tow a 10,300 pound 5th wheel, I can guarantee it cannot. If it were an XL or XLT, then it more than likely can. I make no assumption when I see a high trim half ton pulling a 5th wheel and saying they are overloaded, because they are. Most of them are overloaded with a 7600 pound BP trailer!
08-20-2018, 01:04 PM
#57
Just returned from a weeks camping on manitoulin island in northern ontario. Saw numerous 5ers being towed by 250s and chev/ dodge equivalents. What i noticed most was how most of them seem very nose high rollin down the highway. Also talked with a cpl towing a 5er at the cg with a 17 f150 eb. Was a smaller probably within the trucks limits, but i suspect they didnt have the best hitch for it. The wife told me about 1 trip last yr when they were backing into a site and he cut it too hard. Smashed the back window to oblivion and damaged the roof or the corner pillar, cant remember which. Ended up with a $3000.00 repair bill! Think ill stick with my tt lol
08-22-2018, 10:12 PM
#58
With a ball mounted trailer tongue the load on the rear of the truck is going to be 10-15 percent of the loaded trailer weight. With a 5th wheel trailer there is going to be more like 25% of the weight carried by the rear wheels of the truck. My 2500 truck has a payload capacity at the rear axle of 4,000 lbs and so the heaviest 5th wheel trailer I can think of towing without going to 19.5 wheels and tires, is one with a gross weight of 16,000 lbs.
The advantage of the 5th wheel trailer is much shorter turning radius which is important on the highway and also when backing into a campsite.
With a short bed a 5th wheel hitch can be used but it should be a sliding type hitch to avoid damage to the cab.
The advantage of the 5th wheel trailer is much shorter turning radius which is important on the highway and also when backing into a campsite.
With a short bed a 5th wheel hitch can be used but it should be a sliding type hitch to avoid damage to the cab.
08-23-2018, 07:41 PM
#59
With a ball mounted trailer tongue the load on the rear of the truck is going to be 10-15 percent of the loaded trailer weight. With a 5th wheel trailer there is going to be more like 25% of the weight carried by the rear wheels of the truck. My 2500 truck has a payload capacity at the rear axle of 4,000 lbs and so the heaviest 5th wheel trailer I can think of towing without going to 19.5 wheels and tires, is one with a gross weight of 16,000 lbs.
The advantage of the 5th wheel trailer is much shorter turning radius which is important on the highway and also when backing into a campsite.
With a short bed a 5th wheel hitch can be used but it should be a sliding type hitch to avoid damage to the cab.
The advantage of the 5th wheel trailer is much shorter turning radius which is important on the highway and also when backing into a campsite.
With a short bed a 5th wheel hitch can be used but it should be a sliding type hitch to avoid damage to the cab.
